15 Jan 06
Originally posted by whodeyPlease. I promise I'll watch it too...
I wish you would read my posts!!! Now you have gone and done it. Now I sound llike you. Just kidding. I did give you a web site eartlier that explained the descepency. If you need me to give it to you again I will be more than glad to. The web site contains a little video that is about an hour long on the six days of creation. Let me know what you think.
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by whodeyHow long did it take God to think about making time ?
I wish you would read my posts!!! Now you have gone and done it. Now I sound like you. Just kidding. I did give you a web site eartlier that explained the descepency. If you need me to give it to you again I will be more than glad to. The web site contains a little video that is about an hour long on the six days of creation. Let me know what you think.
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by STANGI explained this in my previous post. Time is used in the demension we presetnly live in and was initiated with the Big Bang. God, however, is a spiritual being and not relegated to the material demension we currently preside in and did not come from one. Whether or not you believe in God, you must conclude that the Big Bang is when time began. Without physical matter the 4 demensions in which we live are meaningless. Unfortunatly, we only have a concept of the 4 demensions in which we live. Anything else is alien to us. If you do not believe in God, the problem arises concerning energy. Energy is eternal. It cannot be created or destroyed. How can something eternal exist in a demension that is not. Time by its very definition demands a begining. The only conclusion can be that the energy released in the Big Bang was in a differnt form in which we have no conception of. In our current universe, we can relate to this only because energy is observed in a variety of different forms.
How long did it take God to think about making time ?
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by whodeyIndeed whodey,
I explained this in my previous post. Time is used in the demension we presetnly live in and was initiated with the Big Bang. God, however, is a spiritual being and not relegated to the material demension we currently preside in and did not come from one. Whether or not you believe in God, you must conclude that the Big Bang is when time began. Without p ...[text shortened]... universe, we can relate to this only because energy is observed in a variety of different forms.
I've tried to point out many times that time is a property of the universe in which we live, and therefore questions about 'before the big bang' are invalid, because before didn't exist! However, I don't know that this in any way 'proves' the existance of god. That's just stretching the interpretation of the data too far. Feel free to believe it if you wish, but it just doesn't make scientific sense.
16 Jan 06
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Originally posted by scottishinnzFeel free to believe it if you wish, but it just doesn't make scientific sense.
Indeed whodey,
I've tried to point out many times that time is a property of the universe in which we live, and therefore questions about 'before the big bang' are invalid, because before didn't exist! However, I don't know that this in any way 'proves' the existance of god. That's just stretching the interpretation of the data too far. Feel free to believe it if you wish, but it just doesn't make scientific sense.
It's not meant to make 'scientific sense'. Science is closed-minded -- remember? The natural sciences (which is what I assume you were referring to by 'scientific'😉 exclude the supernatural by default. You are limiting your beliefs to what makes scientific sense... good for you... there are just some of us who try and be more adventurous and open-minded about our existence.
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzI did not mean to prove the existence of God by my answer. What I was doing was giving you my creationist view of how it all began. I was merely pointing out that just because you believe in creationism does not mean that you divorce yourself from science altogether. I am not against science. What I am against are some of the interpretations and conclusions drawn from its data.
Indeed whodey,
I've tried to point out many times that time is a property of the universe in which we live, and therefore questions about 'before the big bang' are invalid, because before didn't exist! However, I don't know that this in any way 'proves' the existance of god. That's just stretching the interpretation of the data too far. Feel free to believe it if you wish, but it just doesn't make scientific sense.
By the way, have you had time to look at the video on the 6 days of creation? I was wondering what the evolutionist perspective is about his views.
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by Vladamir no1Then what is the point of living? We are all searching for the truth or at least should be. I have uncovered many truths from my own faith. Problem is that when you die you have no more time in finding the truth. If you do not believe in God then you die and will never find the truth. If you do believe in God and reject the truth then it will be to late and be cut off forever from the truth.
As Socrates said (according to Plato)...metaphysical discourse is pointless because you will never know the answers until you die, so why waste time searching for them whilst you're alive...........
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by STANGOh grow up!
The car of a family of 7 ran out of fuel this week. A woman driving by stopped to talk to them and then drove with her son to fetch some fuel. Upon her return, the car still wouldn't start. She drove her car closer to help jump start it. In front of the family of 7, a truck came up the road and slammed into her car, killing her and her son.
There is no God.
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by HalitoseI think we need to reintroduce Muffy and the super-supernatural. That's the problem with your religion, Hal. It's close-minded. It only allows the natural and supernatural, but not the super-supernatural.
[b]Feel free to believe it if you wish, but it just doesn't make scientific sense.
It's not meant to make 'scientific sense'. Science is closed-minded -- remember? The natural sciences (which is what I assume you were referring to by 'scientific'😉 exclude the supernatural by default. You are limiting your beliefs to what makes scientific sense... goo ...[text shortened]... e are just some of us who try and be more adventurous and open-minded about our existence.[/b]
Don't confuse make-believe for brave inquiry, nor the absurd for the profound.
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by HalitoseIf your definition of 'open minded' is using your imagination, and believing everything you read in a book written a couple of hundred years after the events it describes then yes, science is closed minded, since it only takes into account that which is real and can be verified.
[b]Feel free to believe it if you wish, but it just doesn't make scientific sense.
It's not meant to make 'scientific sense'. Science is closed-minded -- remember? The natural sciences (which is what I assume you were referring to by 'scientific'😉 exclude the supernatural by default. You are limiting your beliefs to what makes scientific sense... goo ...[text shortened]... e are just some of us who try and be more adventurous and open-minded about our existence.[/b]
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by whodeyPersonally without god, I live because I feel there is more fun to be had this way than dying. Also, if I can make the world a slightly better place by the use of my brain then that's worth it too. Although, of course, if you ask RBHILL my attempts to improve the environment etc are in vain since I don't have a relationship with the LORD!!! [sniggers (at RBHILL)]
Then what is the point of living? We are all searching for the truth or at least should be. I have uncovered many truths from my own faith. Problem is that when you die you have no more time in finding the truth. If you do not believe in God then you die and will never find the truth. If you do believe in God and reject the truth then it will be to late and be cut off forever from the truth.
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by telerionYou win. 😀😛
I think we need to reintroduce Muffy and the super-supernatural. That's the problem with your religion, Hal. It's close-minded. It only allows the natural and supernatural, but not the super-supernatural.
Don't confuse make-believe for brave inquiry, nor the absurd for the profound.
Aside: I wish Muffy would send us a prophet - or a holy book. It would make it just that little more easier to believe in her. Are the pastafarians a misled (or misinformed) cult of Muffy?
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzErr.. no. Science defines what is real and excludes everything that doesn't fit the definition -- closed minded and now circular reasoning. 😀😛
If your definition of 'open minded' is using your imagination, and believing everything you read in a book written a couple of hundred years after the events it describes then yes, science is closed minded, since it only takes into account that which is real and can be verified.
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by HalitoseWell, I tend to believe in the definition that something with no mass or energy does not exist.
Err.. no. Science defines what is real and excludes everything that doesn't fit the definition -- closed minded and now circular reasoning. 😀😛
What definition do YOU use?