Originally posted by whodeyLooking forward to the Scots deconstruction of this drivel. It will be tough though. WorshipRadio is a well-recognized authority in Biology circles LOL.
Evolution has been far from being proven. There is sceintific data that is used to back up its claims, however. I do not dispute that. There are sceintific data to back up the Bible as well. One such sceintist has used his data to back up the Biblical account of Genesis if you are interested. The web site is
http://www.worshipradio.com/home/ZolaVideo. ...[text shortened]... esign theory as my hands are begining to hurt now. If nothing else, its food for thought.
Originally posted by dottewellNo, I am saying there is an empty seat in the European Union numbered 666. And, I'm also saying that the Roman Catholic Church (the papacy) is the 7 heads of the beast. The eight will be the Antichrist. The heads are already numbered 665. A new name in the papacy will reflect 666. Also, on the pope's metre the roman name is numbered 666. I am saying that everything in Revelations is coming to pass, including the one world money system - the Euro in Europe. The empty 666 seat in the European Union building is waiting to be filled. It is a fact! Jesus is Lord and he returning soon. If millions of people disappear in the next years, remember my words. For only through accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior in your heart may you have eternal life. For God loves the world enough to send His only Son Jesus Christ (that God in the flesh) could die for our sins. Only through Him can we be saved. It is all true. Look to your heart. Do research. Read the book "A CASE FOR JESUS." Do some research on the internet about the papacy and the beast. It is all true. Do not let the World form your thoughts. Look for the true Love, Jesus Christ. He died for you.
Are you saying Satan has chosen the EU as his seat of power?
A major strategic blunder, I reckon.
Originally posted by scottishinnzNo, evolution is a religion! A religion is anything you believe in. It's a system of beliefs - not necessarily spiritual (although it can be) - and evolution is a religion of Satan. It's all filled with lies. The schools lie to our kids and lied to us also! They would rather us believe that life began as water on a rock than believe that God out of great love and infinite power made the universe. Every time a scientist sets out to prove the Bible wrong, he fails. Every time God's Word has been challenged, God wins! We cannot understand God's power and His creativity, because it's so infinite, so beautiful - yet so simple - that we are left ignorant and as fools.
Evolution is not a religion. It does not require belief in the unprovable. All the tennents of evolutionary theory have been proven. Evolution has never been disproven, although several factual errors in the biblical creation account have been noted by myself and others. There are many, many threads where these points have been discussed at great le ...[text shortened]... ess than 1 day), then come back and debate from a position of strength and understanding.
Originally posted by dottewellI am saying that it is quite obvious that the European Union and Catholic church are specifically set up for the anti-christ to come. Yes. If one person calls you a duck, you can doubt it. If two people call you a duck, you can deny it. But, if three people call you a duck, you better start quacking! Here's you're three ducks:
Are you saying Satan has chosen the EU as his seat of power?
A major strategic blunder, I reckon.
1.)empty 666 seat in the European Union
2.)mural and coinage reflecting the woman of the apocalypse out of Revelation.
3.)one world money system - Euro gaining ever greater strength, even blowing away the American dollar soon.
4.)Many different countries join the European Union - Greece in January 1st, fulfilling the prophect of 10 states or parts of it.
5.)666 on the mitre of the Catholic Pope. The seven heads of the papacy from 1798 to present number 665 - one shy of 666. The present Benedict perhaps does not count. Because the heads are already complete - waiting for 666 - a new name of antichrist.
6.)The building of the European Union is identical to the Tower of Babel!!! So much so - and so obviously so - that the European Union building is referred to as EUROBABEL!!!
And, there are hundreds of more like these to show you. To deny the Word of God at this point is pathetic and ignorant. Jesus loves you. Turn to him in your heart. For God so loved the World that He gave his only Son that who shall ever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life!
Originally posted by powershaker*whistles the x-files theme*
I am saying that it is quite obvious that the European Union and Catholic church are specifically set up for the anti-christ to come. Yes. If one person calls you a duck, you can doubt it. If two people call you a duck, you can deny it. But, if three people call you a duck, you better start quacking! Here's you're three ducks:
1.)empty 666 seat ...[text shortened]... his only Son that who shall ever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life!
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Originally posted by powershakerAnd, there are hundreds of more like these to show you.
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Originally posted by DragonFriendOkay, two points.
[b]Evolution has never been disproven,
Evolution, as an ongoing thing, is a fact. True. But it can't account for the origin of life. Scientists have proven this (reference Dr. Behe's work, and others).
The barrier is at the acid level. Cells are made of proteins. Proteins of amino acids. But these acids need to be combined in a very specific way ...[text shortened]... re-addressed.
I can give you references if you'd like to read more about the barrier.
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One, both the constituents for amino acids have been found in gas clouds associated with stars. In space. The early earth would be much more conducive for the molecules, and therefore early life to form.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/starsgalaxies/spitzer-20051220.html
Two, chains of DNA (about 50 bases) form spontaneously in the lab. It's an exergonic reaction (releases energy) and happens spontaneously. Furthermore, DNA can (and does) replicate under cell free conditinons.
Posted by Athousandyoung
"The same way it happens in organisms now, except that there is no RNA or DNA template or enzymes to position the molecules properly and thereby speed up the process. The oxygen in the 3' hydroxy group of one NTP attacks the alpha phosphate of another. It's much slower with no enzymes or templates because the molecules have to bump into each other with the right end hitting the right end, but it happens.
Why hasn't it been replicated in the lab? No one has bothered to fund it I imagine. I don't know if anyone is doing this sort of work; I certainly haven't heard of anyone who's tried it.
*After a bit of research on PubMed and Google I've found the following:
A simultaneous synthesis of peptides (2-5 residues) and oligonucleotides (3-9 residues) has been carried out on caolinite matrix using amino acids and aminoacyladenylates as substrates. The rate of oligomer synthesis on mineral surface is higher than that in solution. The mechanism of synthesis has been described. The data has been discussed in connection with abiogenesis of two major types of biopolymers, proteins and nucleic acids.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=2347997&itool=iconabstr&query_hl=4
Polymers could grow in solution but hydrolysis would limit the size it could reach...in the laboratory polynucleotides and polypeptides containing about ~50 units have been synthesized on mineral (e.g., clay)surfaces.
http://www.ozh2o.com/h2origin.html
So it looks like people are doing the work and that they are succeeding."
Cohen S, Mechali, M (2001) A novel cell-free system reveals a mechanism of circular DNA formation from tandem repeats. Nucleic acids research, 29, 2542 ->+
Originally posted by whodeyActually, I'm not really going to expand on what I said before here too much. All the points you note are undeniably true. It all goes to prove that the universe is exactly the way it is. Nothing more.
Evolution has been far from being proven. There is sceintific data that is used to back up its claims, however. I do not dispute that. There are sceintific data to back up the Bible as well. One such sceintist has used his data to back up the Biblical account of Genesis if you are interested. The web site is
http://www.worshipradio.com/home/ZolaVideo. ...[text shortened]... esign theory as my hands are begining to hurt now. If nothing else, its food for thought.
There IS scientific proof that backs up some parts of the bible. Humans, for example, were undeniably alive 2000 years ago. I'm not particularly interested in some crackpots attempt to line up the (proven) incorrect facts presented in the bible (sun created after land plants, birds created before land animals, etc) with science. Thanks, but I've really got better things to do with my life.
Originally posted by powershakerTo tell you the truth I immediately believe there is a seat in the Euro parliament numbered 666, but I'm having more trouble with the Roman-Catholic Church being the 7 heads of the beast. Can you elaborate on this ?
No, I am saying there is an empty seat in the European Union numbered 666. And, I'm also saying that the Roman Catholic Church (the papacy) is the 7 heads of the beast. The eight will be the Antichrist. The heads are already numbered 665. A new name in the papacy will reflect 666. Also, on the pope's metre the roman name is numbered 666. I am sayin ...[text shortened]... t let the World form your thoughts. Look for the true Love, Jesus Christ. He died for you.
I'm also puzzled as far as the heads already numbered 665 .... what do you mean ?
A new name in the papacy will reflect 666. What does this mean ?
... and what about the Pope's metre having the roman name numbered 666 on it ? Can you please explain what you mean ?
Originally posted by scottishinnzSo this is why it cannot be created in a lab? Because no one has bothered to fund it? I thought I had heard it all until today!!!!!!!
Why hasn't it been replicated in the lab? No one has bothered to fund it I imagine. I don't know if anyone is doing this sort of work; I certainly haven't heard of anyone who's tried it.
Originally posted by whodeyWell, I should think it's not been done because it's pretty hard to do. When I say 'pretty hard' I'm going to make a qualifier statement too. Making life is not like cooking a cake. It is complex to make fully functioning life. It is a good thing that on early earth life did not need to evolve fully functional, it could evolve bit by bit, since everything else was evolving bit by bit and selection pressure would be low. Lipid sphericules would have been present in the primitive oceans (drop some oil in water - you're creating one of the prerequisites for life in your kitchen), especially associated with surfaces, DNA / RNA molecules can self assemble, and condense at lipid - water interfaces, so would have become 'stuck' to these lipid droplets. DNA that was inside these lipid drops would be more protected against environmental conditions than free floating DNA strands - easy to see how it was selected for.
So this is why it cannot be created in a lab? Because no one has bothered to fund it? I thought I had heard it all until today!!!!!!!
All the threads are there, all the pieces make sense. I wouldn't be too surprised if someone out there is trying to create life in the lab, although getting ethics approval for that'd be a nightmare I guess. Certainly the Miller / Urey stuff exists, and I'd be surprised if others aren't doing the same.