1. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    09 Mar '06 21:23
    Who can remember the last time he saw something spiritual posted here? Spiritual posts are the rare exception rather than the norm. Mainly what we do here is argue and bicker. On occasion we get some rare spiritual insight from Revered Kirksey, but that's about it.

    Why don't we merge this forum back into Debates, where the rest of the site's arguing and bickering takes place, or give it a more fitting name. This Spirituality forum is an object of ridicule..
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    09 Mar '06 21:34
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Who can remember the last time he saw something spiritual posted here? Spiritual posts are the rare exception rather than the norm. Mainly what we do here is argue and bicker. On occasion we get some rare spiritual insight from Revered Kirksey, but that's about it.

    Why don't we merge this forum back into Debates, where the rest of the site's a ...[text shortened]... es place, or give it a more fitting name. This Spirituality forum is an object of ridicule..
    Perhaps it would be less an object of ridicule if posters stopped ridiculing each other (and their respective positions) and focused on the issues and points.
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    09 Mar '06 22:13
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Perhaps it would be less an object of ridicule if posters stopped ridiculing each other (and their respective positions) and focused on the issues and points.
    Real spirituality isn't about issues and points, no matter how politely they are discussed.
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    09 Mar '06 22:20
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Real spirituality isn't about issues and points, no matter how politely they are discussed.
    You're labouring under the misconception that this forum was created for Spiritual threads. Despite its name, it was removed from Debates originally, not to allow spiritual posts, but to stop every debate about every issue degenerating into a religious arguement from both sides.

    If you want to talk about spirituality, but don't actually want to debate it, take it to General, you won't get much argument there.
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    09 Mar '06 22:24
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Who can remember the last time he saw something spiritual posted here? Spiritual posts are the rare exception rather than the norm. Mainly what we do here is argue and bicker. On occasion we get some rare spiritual insight from Revered Kirksey, but that's about it.

    Why don't we merge this forum back into Debates, where the rest of the site's a ...[text shortened]... es place, or give it a more fitting name. This Spirituality forum is an object of ridicule..
    DrS: "This forum is such a joke ... "

    ..... and guess who's the Joker ?
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    09 Mar '06 22:25
    Originally posted by Starrman
    You're labouring under the misconception that this forum was created for Spiritual threads. Despite its name, it was removed from Debates originally, not to allow spiritual posts, but to stop every debate about every issue degenerating into a religious arguement from both sides.

    If you want to talk about spirituality, but don't actually want to debate it, take it to General, you won't get much argument there.
    Surely we should call it 'Debates In Which At Least One Position Is Predicated On Faith' then?
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    09 Mar '06 22:26
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Perhaps it would be less an object of ridicule if posters stopped ridiculing each other (and their respective positions) and focused on the issues and points.
    One would find it much easier to be polite if my opponents would actually listen, think and use logic. For example, in the Natural selection forum we're currently talking about radioisotope dating. Despite several articles explaining the subject being shot over the the creationist lobby, they refuse to read them, think logically about them, or listen to anybody trying to explain it to them. The creationists tend to make the same unfounded accussations over and over again, even when they've been refuted already. We get STANG banned for spamming, why not dj2becker too?
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    09 Mar '06 23:07
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Real spirituality isn't about issues and points, no matter how politely they are discussed.
    No, but the manner in which one discusses things speaks volumes about his/her spirituality.
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    09 Mar '06 23:10
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    No, but the manner in which one discusses things speaks volumes about his/her spirituality.
    No it doesn't, it merely speaks about his conduct in these forums. Which I might add are a poor reflection of real life.
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    09 Mar '06 23:25
    Originally posted by Starrman
    No it doesn't, it merely speaks about his conduct in these forums. Which I might add are a poor reflection of real life.
    Do you think that these forums are not a part of "real life"? That the people participating in discussions here are not "real people" who spend "real time" and "real effort" on their participation? That the ideas floated here, and issues discussed, are not "real"?

    Even though we're cloaked by Internet anonymity, the personas we assume here are no less a part of our personality and individuality than the personas we assume in the "real world".
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    09 Mar '06 23:45
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    DrS: "This forum is such a joke ... "

    ..... and guess who's the Joker ?
    I suppose it would have to be Russ, since he brought it into existence.
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    09 Mar '06 23:491 edit
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Do you think that these forums are not a part of "real life"? That the people participating in discussions here are not "real people" who spend "real time" and "real effort" on their participation? That the ideas floated here, and issues discussed, are not "real"?

    No to all of the above, I said they were a poor imitation of real life. ie: that some people here construe them as a complete environment.

    Even though we're cloaked by Internet anonymity, the personas we assume here are no less a part of our personality and individuality than the personas we assume in the "real world".

    Of course they are, there is no common environment for debaters as there would be in a face to face meeting, save that each has a computer screen. As such there is no body language, no tone of voice, no involuntary stimuli/reactions from the process of debate. There are rules and ettiquettes which differ completely from those of the real world. People here can lie about who they are, what they are, what they think and there is no reference book to check they are telling the truth. And even if they aren't liars, I guarantee that a large percentage of the people here act entirely differently online than they do in real life.

    This place is a 'part' of real life, but it is a poor imitation of real life.
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    09 Mar '06 23:55
    Originally posted by Starrman
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    [b]Do you think that these forums are not a part of "real life"? That the people participating in discussions here are not "real people" who spend "real time" and "real effort" on their participation? That the ideas floated here, and issues discussed, are not "real"?


    No to all of the above, I said they were ...[text shortened]...

    This place is a 'part' of real life, but it is a poor imitation of real life.[/b]
    That's right. Plays are a part of real life, too, but nobody would conclude that an actor in a play plays the same role in his life. A Christian could play a role in Fiddler on the Roof.
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    09 Mar '06 23:59
    Originally posted by Starrman
    People here can lie about who they are, what they are, what they think and there is no reference book to check they are telling the truth. And even if they aren't liars, I guarantee that a large percentage of the people here act entirely differently online than they do in real life.
    People can lie about who they are, what they are, and what they think in "real life", too. Of course there are things you can't easily hide in "real life". But on the other hand, people often reveal sides of themselves on the internet which they hide in "real life". People also act different in different "real life" situations (as well as in different internet communities). If you meet a person, be it in "real life" or on the internet, you'll always get to see only a small part of their personality.
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    10 Mar '06 00:02
    Originally posted by Nordlys
    People can lie about who they are, what they are, and what they think in "real life", too. Of course there are things you can't easily hide in "real life". But on the other hand, people often reveal sides of themselves on the internet which they hide in "real life". People also act different in different "real life" situations (as well as in different intern ...[text shortened]... or on the internet, you'll always get to see only a small part of their personality.
    I disagree with that. Sure once off this is true, but regularly and the person's true nature is revealed. Here it is quite simple to keep up the pretence of whatever version of yourself you wish to portray, indefinitely.
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