Since it's Sunday, time for some family values.
This from Genesis 19
32 Come, let's make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve our father's seed."
33 They made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father. He didn't know when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34 It came to pass on the next day, that the firstborn said to the younger, "Behold, I lay last night with my father. Let us make him drink wine again, tonight. You go in, and lie with him, that we may preserve our father's seed."
35 They made their father drink wine that night also. The younger went and lay with him. He didn't know when she lay down, nor when she got up.
36 Thus both of Lot's daughters were with child by their father.
Guess it's supposed to be uplifting....I just feel sick.
Originally posted by WajomaWhy would you think that is suppose to be uplifting?
Since it's Sunday, time for some family values.
This from Genesis 19
32 Come, let's make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve our father's seed."
33 They made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father. He didn't know when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34 It came to p ...[text shortened]... th child by their father.
Guess it's supposed to be uplifting....I just feel sick.
There are verses in the Bible I wouldn't want to read out loud in a
church service simply because they are sort of crude and you wouldn't
be able to get the kids to stop laughing, that is if they were like me
when I was growing up. 🙂 That story isn't what I'd call uplifting.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayThat story came from the mind of God himself! There are only so many pages in the Bible, and an omnipotent, omniscient being deemed that passage worthy of inclusion. Let no man call it 'crude.' Should we hide the Word of the Almighty under a bushel because some wicked children laugh? No! These deviants will burn in eternal hellfire someday. Who cares what they think? Proclaim it from the mountain tops.
Why would you think that is suppose to be uplifting?
There are verses in the Bible I wouldn't want to read out loud in a
church service simply because they are sort of crude and you wouldn't
be able to get the kids to stop laughing, that is if they were like me
when I was growing up. 🙂 That story isn't what I'd call uplifting.
Kelly
God says, "Lot shagged his daughters, and they loved it!"
Originally posted by KellyJayUnbelievable! You're taking prudishness to a new level when you deem even Bible passages taboo in church!
There are verses in the Bible I wouldn't want to read out loud in a
church service
What are some other Bible verses that you think are inappropriate for church?
Originally posted by telerionRight, we shouldn't be ashamed of the Scriptures, after all, we believe they are God's Words.
That story came from the mind of God himself! There are only so many pages in the Bible, and an omnipotent, omniscient being deemed that passage worthy of inclusion. Let no man call it 'crude.' Should we hide the Word of the Almighty under a bushel because some wicked children laugh? No! These deviants will burn in eternal hellfire someday. Who cares ...[text shortened]... im it from the mountain tops.
God says, "Lot shagged his daughters, and they loved it!"
However, just because it is written it doesn't mean God approved it; far the opposite in this case.
God doesn't portray history as man do. He doesn't remove from historical records all bad parts and keep all good parts. Biblical "heroes" had flaws, they were not perfect and bad and evil things they've done are not hidden.
For example, if the Bible had been written by the will of man, probably the Israelites (Jews) would have erased any shameful record regarding their "Great King David". That was not the case, and that adds to the Bible's credit as the Inspired Word of God.
What is recorded should be seen as lessons for all of us or as mere historical facts.
In this particular situation, for Lot's credit, he was deceived by his daughters.
Your sentence: "Lot shagged his daughters, and they loved it!" is totally as odds with the Bible record.
Genesis 19:33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the first-born went in, and lay with her father; and he knew not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
Regards
Originally posted by xpoferensThe word "they" in my post refered to the daughters, not to Lot.
Right, we shouldn't be ashamed of the Scriptures, after all, we believe they are God's Words.
However, just because it is written it doesn't mean God approved it; far the opposite in this case.
God doesn't portray history as man do. He doesn't remove from historical records all bad parts and keep all good parts. Biblical "heroes" had flaws, they were father; [b]and he knew not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
Regards[/b]
The rest of your post is not relevant at all. I neither said nor insinuated that God approved of their behavior, only that he thought this story delicious enough to be included in his tiny written message to the human race.
Edit: God doesn't portray history as man do.
This is so true. If only you could fathom it.
Originally posted by KellyJayif they knew what it was talking about maybe which i think if theyre old enough to know what they're talking about they're old enough not to laugh. what kid listens in church anyways?
Why would you think that is suppose to be uplifting?
There are verses in the Bible I wouldn't want to read out loud in a
church service simply because they are sort of crude and you wouldn't
be able to get the kids to stop laughing, that is if they were like me
when I was growing up. 🙂 That story isn't what I'd call uplifting.
Kelly
Originally posted by telerionSarcasm implies many things.
The word "they" in my post refered to the daughters, not to Lot.
The rest of your post is not relevant at all. I neither said nor insinuated that God approved of their behavior, only that he thought this story delicious enough to be included in his tiny written message to the human race.
Edit: [b]God doesn't portray history as man do.
This is so true. If only you could fathom it.[/b]
Your sentence :"Lot shagged his daughters, and they loved it!", implies Lot's active part.
Regards
For me stories such as these help provide evidence fot the authenticity of the Biblical stories. After all, the Bible includes the good the bad and the ugly in the stories. It does not attempt to glorify any one individual, other than Christ, as being perfect or sinless. It is not akin to the other religous books such as the Qaran that attempts to glorify a mere mortal man in some way.
Just as a side note, I always pictured the daughters of Lot as thinking that they were the only ones left alive on the face of the earth after having witnessed the apocolyptic scene of Sodom and Gommarah. I am not trying to justify their actions but merely trying to make sense of it all.
You forgot to put thes verse in:
30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave.
31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth.
37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.
I see taht God had Moses put it in the word maybe to discribe how the Moabites and Ammonites came about.
Originally posted by RBHILLI see that God has failed to gift you the ability to spell. Perhaps you could ask Santa next time.
You forgot to put thes verse in:
30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave.
31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth.
37 The older dau ...[text shortened]... t God had Moses put it in the word maybe to discribe how the Moabites and Ammonites came about.
