Originally posted by KellyJayWhat Visted said:
The fundament difference is one happened the other did not.
Kelly
So what evidential criteria do you use to decide which memory is true (the event did happen), and which memory is false (the event didn’t happen)?
So we have a memory of an event that did happen and a memory of an event that did not happen. Regardless of the events, what is different about the two memories? And how does this help with biblical creationism: there was no one there at the purported time of Creation so we only have God's word that it happened like that and we already know that God is deceptive because he made the universe to look as if it were older. He made Adam fully grown as if he had already had 20 years or more worth of development.
As I have been saying, your creation story (the universe was created with the appearance of age) is indistinguishable from Last Thursdayism, and of as much utility.
--- Penguin
Originally posted by PenguinHow else could the universe and the earth and all life forms be created in
What Visted said:
So what evidential criteria do you use to decide which memory is true (the event did happen), and which memory is false (the event didn’t happen)?
So we have a memory of an event that did happen and a memory of an event that did not happen. Regardless of the events, what is different about the two memories? And how does ...[text shortened]... ance of age) is indistinguishable from Last Thursdayism, and of as much utility.
--- Penguin
six days without the appearance of age? A fully formed universe as well
as a full grown man must appear old to us even though it man only be
a few minutes old.
Originally posted by RJHindsSo your god created everything ten minutes ago and we think the universe and all in it to be billions of years old. So your god invented histories that are false, Hitler didn't kill all those Jews, Ghengis Khan didn't really have all those wives, then Jesus was never born but is now a figment of our imagination?
How else could the universe and the earth and all life forms be created in
six days without the appearance of age? A fully formed universe as well
as a full grown man must appear old to us even though it man only be
a few minutes old.
Originally posted by sonhouseNo, no, no! That’s my god! The god Thurz. (I know some people say that Thursday is named for Thor—but Thor is just a myth, as is the myth of “long ago”, otherwise, why would there need to be a Thursday at all, let alone a recurring one? ). That’s why, as Last Thursdayists, we hold a religious celebration every Thursday to give thanks for the weekly reincarnation of the whole universe. We call that religious practice “Thurzing”, and “Thursday” is really Thurzingday. Please get your religions straight!
So your god created everything ten minutes ago and we think the universe and all in it to be billions of years old. So your god invented histories that are false, Hitler didn't kill all those Jews, Ghengis Khan didn't really have all those wives, then Jesus was never born but is now a figment of our imagination?
Originally posted by vistesdSo you are really thurzdy for knowledge I see.
No, no, no! That’s my god! The god Thurz. (I know some people say that Thursday is named for Thor—but Thor is just a myth, as is the myth of “long ago”, otherwise, why would there need to be a Thursday at all, let alone a recurring one? ). That’s why, as Last Thursdayists, we hold a religious celebration every Thursday to give thanks for the weekl ...[text shortened]... practice “Thurzing”, and “Thursday” is really Thurzingday. Please get your religions straight!
Originally posted by sonhouseNo, God had nothing to do with creating the histories. Those are mainly our
So your god created everything ten minutes ago and we think the universe and all in it to be billions of years old. So your god invented histories that are false, Hitler didn't kill all those Jews, Ghengis Khan didn't really have all those wives, then Jesus was never born but is now a figment of our imagination?
doings, except in those cases in which God felt He needed to do something to
prevent things from getting too bad. After the six days of creation when God
had created a fully functioning universe then time continued in away that we
can measure it today. But that measurable time I believe is only a few
thousand years. My estimate is that it is within 10,000 years however I
can not be certain. The problem with the scientific measurements of time
is they do not include the creation in six days as part of the beginning
calculation of their time so they obviously assume the universe took billions
or trillions of years to be formed. It is the same with man who after being
created is 1 second old, but we assume he is already at least 21 years old
and perhaps 500 years old.
Originally posted by RJHindsSo this hypothetical 21 yo, being really 1 second old, was given a whole life full of false memories? So he remembers mama giving him a bath at the age of 3, remembers grade school, getting beat up by bullies at age 8, graduating from HS with honors, arrested for drunk and disorderly at age 18, settles down, by 21 has a degree in biology. All without having gone through the work we mere humans assume we had to do to get that far?
No, God had nothing to do with creating the histories. Those are mainly our
doings, except in those cases in which God felt He needed to do something to
prevent things from getting too bad. After the six days of creation when God
had created a fully functioning universe then time continued in away that we
can measure it today. But that measurable time ...[text shortened]... d is 1 second old, but we assume he is already at least 21 years old
and perhaps 500 years old.
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Originally posted by sonhouseIf the universe is only 10k old then anything beyond that is or never really happened!!
So this hypothetical 21 yo, being really 1 second old, was given a whole life full of false memories? So he remembers mama giving him a bath at the age of 3, remembers grade school, getting beat up by bullies at age 8, graduating from HS with honors, arrested for drunk and disorderly at age 18, settles down, by 21 has a degree in biology. All without having gone through the work we mere humans assume we had to do to get that far?
Why would God create fake galaxies ? Stars ect............?
Manny
Originally posted by menace71Ya what about the stars that are over 10,000 light years away. It has taken longer than 10,000 years for their light to reach us.
If the universe is only 10k old then anything beyond that is or never really happened!!
Why would God create fake galaxies ? Stars ect............?
Manny
Originally posted by moon1969No you see RJ is a secret Last Thursdayist. The universe was created with the light from those stars already most of the way to us. And all the other stuff that indicates an old universe was put there by God deliberately to deceive us.
Ya what about the stars that are over 10,000 light years away. It has taken longer than 10,000 years for their light to reach us.
But actually this was all done last Thursday. It just seems as if the universe is older.
--- Penguin.
Originally posted by PenguinI wonder if all the other civilizations in those other galaxies are in on the joke?
No you see RJ is a secret Last Thursdayist. The universe was created with the light from those stars already most of the way to us. And all the other stuff that indicates an old universe was put there by God deliberately to deceive us.
But actually this was all done last Thursday. It just seems as if the universe is older.
--- Penguin.
Originally posted by sonhouseNo, you still do not understand. God was in the prcocess of teaching both
So this hypothetical 21 yo, being really 1 second old, was given a whole life full of false memories? So he remembers mama giving him a bath at the age of 3, remembers grade school, getting beat up by bullies at age 8, graduating from HS with honors, arrested for drunk and disorderly at age 18, settles down, by 21 has a degree in biology. All without having gone through the work we mere humans assume we had to do to get that far?
Adam and Eve until the disobedience occurred. There was no false memories.
They were being taught the truth until the jealous Satan entered the scene
with his lies.
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Originally posted by PenguinThe light did not have to travel long distances to get to the Earth from the
No you see RJ is a secret Last Thursdayist. The universe was created with the light from those stars already most of the way to us. And all the other stuff that indicates an old universe was put there by God deliberately to deceive us.
But actually this was all done last Thursday. It just seems as if the universe is older.
--- Penguin.
stars at creation for God spread out the heavens and it is still spreading out
today. God has not deceived anyone. God told us what He did, but you and
the scientist refuse to pay attention.
P.S. You are deceiving yourself.
Originally posted by PenguinThe universe was created as is, we have developed an idea of age over time.
What Visted said:
So what evidential criteria do you use to decide which memory is true (the event did happen), and which memory is false (the event didn’t happen)?
So we have a memory of an event that did happen and a memory of an event that did not happen. Regardless of the events, what is different about the two memories? And how does ...[text shortened]... ance of age) is indistinguishable from Last Thursdayism, and of as much utility.
--- Penguin
The appearace of anything is simply what you think you should see.
Kelly