Tree Rings / Calendars

Originally posted by KellyJay
You read it in context; you are supposed to be good at that it is a matter of
perspective, sort of like relativity.
Kelly

Ah, so the sun standing still was not supposed to be taken literally.

Then how is the 6 days thing different? How do you know you are not supposed to read it 'in context'? As an allegorical story told to tribesmen who had no comprehension of cosmology and the length of time it really took God to make all this stuff?

Why must 6 days mean 6 literal 24-hour periods when stopping the sun does not really mean literally stopping the sun?

--- Penguin?

Originally posted by KellyJay
When God created the stars they were seen as soon as He made them the
light from the stars was created as a sign to be seen. Much like God creating
a car out of nothing, he did not need to make the parts and put them together
He simply created it functioning. No different than Adam being made as an
adult either, fully functional at the time of creation. ...[text shortened]... saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

Kelly

So now the entire universe is only a few thousand light years across, which it would have to be if all the stars we see now were built at the same time?

Originally posted by Penguin
Ah, so the sun standing still was not supposed to be taken literally.

Then how is the 6 days thing different? How do you know you are not supposed to read it 'in context'? As an allegorical story told to tribesmen who had no comprehension of cosmology and the length of time it really took God to make all this stuff?

Why must 6 days mean 6 literal 24-ho ...[text shortened]... eriods when stopping the sun does not really mean literally stopping the sun?

--- Penguin?

For all I know the sun did stop, it would have had to inorder for the earth
to stay with it as it moves through space too wouldn't it?
Kelly

Originally posted by sonhouse
So now the entire universe is only a few thousand light years across, which it would have to be if all the stars we see now were built at the same time?

I have been talking about the age from the time of creation, you are now
talking about size, two different subjects.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I have been talking about the age from the time of creation, you are now
talking about size, two different subjects.
Kelly

If you believe the speed of light is 186,000 odd miles per second or about 300,000 Km /sec, take your pick, and the the universe was created 6 odd thousand years ago, it stands to reason to say the universe cannot be more than 6000 light years across since we see extremely dim galaxies in our best telescopes.

What is wrong with this picture?

Originally posted by KellyJay
When God created the stars they were seen as soon as He made them the
light from the stars was created as a sign to be seen. Much like God creating
a car out of nothing, he did not need to make the parts and put them together
He simply created it functioning. No different than Adam being made as an
adult either, fully functional at the time of creation. ...[text shortened]... saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

Kelly

When God created the stars they were seen as soon as He made them the
light from the stars was created as a sign to be seen.

So why bother with a speed limit? Why set light a speed limit of 3*10^8m/s and then put stars so far away that the light should take billions of years to get here and can't be seen without a telescope in space anyway?

He is going a long way out of his way to make the universe look old.

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by KellyJay
For all I know the sun did stop, it would have had to inorder for the earth
to stay with it as it moves through space too wouldn't it?
Kelly

Pardon? The sun (and its solar system) is orbiting the galaxy. Stopping that motion is irrelevant to the sun appearing to stop in the sky (assuming you stop the Earth as well since if you stop the sun not the earth then you would get a very different effect).

To make the Sun appear to stop in the sky, you must either stop the Earth spinning, or make the sun orbit the Earth in a geostationary fashion.

It would be easy to find evidence of such an event:
- Chinese written history at the period would also document it.
- As would Mayan carvings
- And any other civilisation capable of recording events in carvings, writings or paintings.

Such evidence would be all around the world. The Mayans for example would probably record the long night that only ended after frenzied prayers and virgin sacrifices to appease their Gods and bring about the dawn.

Out of interest, how long is it supposed to have stopped for?

--- Penguin

Originally posted by menace71
If the universe is only 10k old then anything beyond that is or never really happened!!
Why would God create fake galaxies ? Stars ect............?




Manny

To make you wonder. 😀

Originally posted by twhitehead
If Adam was created with memories of what happened in his Childhood, what would you say? Did the mother he remembers exist? Did the time he saw a lion kill his brother really happen?

Adam was never a child so no childhood memories.

Originally posted by menace71
If the universe is only 10,000 years old then explain the light we just now see from say 50,000 light years out ? (BTW I'm not saying God did NOT do it But there are problems with a young universe the YEC's need to look at) I don't think God is deceptive so there has to be another answer is all I'm saying. Maybe the stretching out idea is valid if God stret ...[text shortened]... have what seems to be apparent age? This just seems to not line up with reality.

Manny

The Holy Bible says God stretched out the heavens and since God put the
laws of the universe in place, I am confident that He could control any
so-called consequences you could imagine. To my knowledge, the Holy
Bible does not indicate that there were any consequences.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The Holy Bible says God stretched out the heavens and since God put the
laws of the universe in place, I am confident that He could control any
so-called consequences you could imagine. To my knowledge, the Holy
Bible does not indicate that there were any consequences.

As I say, this is indistinguishable from Last Thursday-ism and about as useful or likely.

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by KellyJay
When God created the stars they were seen as soon as He made them the
light from the stars was created as a sign to be seen.

We have discussed this before, and when I pointed out the obvious conclusions, you got so upset you refused to talk to me.
1. Light carries information.
2. It carries information about its origin.
3. Its origin is necessarily in the past.
4. If light was created in transit, it would be carrying information about a past that never happened.
5. If for example a person saw a supernova or some other type of exploding star, they would have seen (prior to the explosion) a star that never existed. A fake star if you will.
This is no different than a fully formed Adam being created with memories of parents he never had, or childhood experiences he never had.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Adam was never a child so no childhood memories.

I see you too, are incapable of seeing the word "if" because you do not wish to answer the question.

Originally posted by Penguin
Ah, so the sun standing still was not supposed to be taken literally.

Then how is the 6 days thing different? How do you know you are not supposed to read it 'in context'? As an allegorical story told to tribesmen who had no comprehension of cosmology and the length of time it really took God to make all this stuff?

Why must 6 days mean 6 literal 24-ho ...[text shortened]... eriods when stopping the sun does not really mean literally stopping the sun?

--- Penguin?

Does the sun move?

Why must 6 days mean 6 literal 24-hour periods when stopping the sun does not really mean literally stopping the sun?

I believe both of these are literal because the Sun is standing still today,
is it not? The days are said to have evenings and mornings just like our
24-hour days do today.

Then Genesis, chapter 2 refers back to the creation story as follows:

This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the
day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.
(Genesis 2:4 New American Standard Bible)

This is the history of the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they
were created, in the day that Yahweh God made the earth and the heavens.
(Genesis 2:4 World English Bible)

We see from this that the creation story of the beginnings is intended as a
historical account and not an allegory. It is probably true that these people
did not understand cosmology, but God did and He also knew men could
learn.

P.S. Notice that in Genesis 2:4 the "day" means the whole period of time
that it took God to finish His creation. But this day is not identified as
having an evening and a morning like each of the creation days.
Don't forget the theory of relativity

Originally posted by sonhouse
So now the entire universe is only a few thousand light years across, which it would have to be if all the stars we see now were built at the same time?

You forget that the Lord stretched out the heavens. Some astronomers today
believe some distant stars are traveling away from us faster than the speed
of light.

“It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it.
I stretched out the heavens with My hands
And I ordained all their host."
(Isaiah 45:12 NASB)

That you have forgotten the LORD your Maker,
Who stretched out the heavens
And laid the foundations of the earth,...
(Isaiah 51:13 NASB)