Originally posted by vistesdWe are talking reality here are we not? I can put fake data into a computer
So what evidential criteria do you use to decide which memory is true (the event did happen), and which memory is false (the event didn’t happen)?
Would you take evidence from a newspaper to be no less a matter of “faith” than evidence from an astrological horoscope? Some people likely would—do you think their notion of “evidence” ought to be granted ...[text shortened]... n’t improve the status of the biblical texts for giving factual information about such things.]
and get an outcome I want to see, or I can put in real figures and get out
what the program was designed to show me. As far as the computer is concern
one is no different than the other, the difference is reality. If we say what is
the difference between a fake memory and a real one, and everyone says
that there is no difference than there is a break in reality for them, and nothing
is real.
I guess living in this age of information, lies must seem as real as anything
else to those that believe them.
Kelly
Originally posted by vistesdIt perspective, from the people's perspective would the earth or the heavens
So what evidential criteria do you use to decide which memory is true (the event did happen), and which memory is false (the event didn’t happen)?
Would you take evidence from a newspaper to be no less a matter of “faith” than evidence from an astrological horoscope? Some people likely would—do you think their notion of “evidence” ought to be granted ...[text shortened]... n’t improve the status of the biblical texts for giving factual information about such things.]
have stopped moving?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayIf Adam was created with memories of what happened in his Childhood, what would you say? Did the mother he remembers exist? Did the time he saw a lion kill his brother really happen?
The universe was created as is, we have developed an idea of age over time.
The appearace of anything is simply what you think you should see.
Kelly
If the universe is only 10,000 years old then explain the light we just now see from say 50,000 light years out ? (BTW I'm not saying God did NOT do it But there are problems with a young universe the YEC's need to look at) I don't think God is deceptive so there has to be another answer is all I'm saying. Maybe the stretching out idea is valid if God stretched out the heavens after he created them but this would have physical consequences. An object at say 10 light years away is suddenly stretched out or away what would we see? Red shifted light ? How do YEC's account for deep space objects beyond 50,000 light years. I don't buy that the speed of light has changed and was once faster. This would also have physical consequences. Why have what seems to be apparent age? This just seems to not line up with reality.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71Maybe many aspects in Genesis are not literally true.
If the universe is only 10,000 years old then explain the light we just now see from say 50,000 light years out ? (BTW I'm not saying God did NOT do it But there are problems with a young universe the YEC's need to look at) I don't think God is deceptive so there has to be another answer is all I'm saying. Maybe the stretching out idea is valid if God stret ...[text shortened]... have what seems to be apparent age? This just seems to not line up with reality.
Manny
Originally posted by twhiteheadAdam was not created with memories of childhood, if you are going to speak
If Adam was created with memories of what happened in his Childhood, what would you say? Did the mother he remembers exist? Did the time he saw a lion kill his brother really happen?
about matters of scripture I suggest you stick to things the scriptures say.
If you want to talk about things you make up, and call those reality well I
guess you have come to the right place.
Kelly
Originally posted by twhiteheadIf you want to speak about scripture than speak about what was written, if you
Did you not see the "if" at the beginning of the sentence? Or are you simply not able to answer the questions?
want to treat those you make as if they are real...well that is what you do I
guess.
Kelly
Originally posted by menace71When God created the stars they were seen as soon as He made them the
If the universe is only 10,000 years old then explain the light we just now see from say 50,000 light years out ? (BTW I'm not saying God did NOT do it But there are problems with a young universe the YEC's need to look at) I don't think God is deceptive so there has to be another answer is all I'm saying. Maybe the stretching out idea is valid if God stret ...[text shortened]... have what seems to be apparent age? This just seems to not line up with reality.
Manny
light from the stars was created as a sign to be seen. Much like God creating
a car out of nothing, he did not need to make the parts and put them together
He simply created it functioning. No different than Adam being made as an
adult either, fully functional at the time of creation. Only people who have an
issue with that are those that assume they know how the universe was created
because of their imaginations tell them differently.
Gen 1: 14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
Kelly