Originally posted by galveston75Something i think i've hit upon is that much of what divides us is semantics, there are some serious doctrinal differences, but not too many I think. In the end God will sort it out for us😉
It is amazing how these discussions have gone and the more we all go thru this is the more we all learn. And the original meanings to these scriptures are the keys to knowing what is the truth on the trinity. But if one is truely searching for this, then one should put as much unbiast info in front of them to reasearch, honestly pray to God for direction ...[text shortened]... resting that you'd do that. You remember the scriptures at Matt 15:3,8,9. Mark 7:13. Col 2:8?
Originally posted by duecerTrue but what if it's "now" in history that we need to know? And do we need to know the truth or just leave it up to God to have forgiveness of us not knowing? John 17:3, Eph 4:13, 1Tim 2:4. Ps 43:3, Prov 23:23, John 4:24, & 8:32, Ehp 6:14, Heb 10:26, 2Pet 1:12.
Something i think i've hit upon is that much of what divides us is semantics, there are some serious doctrinal differences, but not too many I think. In the end God will sort it out for us😉
These are just a few of the scriptures that talk about knowing the "truth" as that's the only way God will accept our worship.
Originally posted by galveston75No one knows all the Truth.
True but what if it's "now" in history that we need to know? And do we need to know the truth or just leave it up to God to have forgiveness of us not knowing? John 17:3, Eph 4:13, 1Tim 2:4. Ps 43:3, Prov 23:23, John 4:24, & 8:32, Ehp 6:14, Heb 10:26, 2Pet 1:12.
These are just a few of the scriptures that talk about knowing the "truth" as that's the only way God will accept our worship.
But God will hold us accountable for how we lived according to the truth we do know.
Originally posted by josephwWell, we may not have the correct understanding of a certian issue by all means, but the truth is in the Bible. 2Tim 3:16, Acts 17:11, Ps 119: 160, John 17:17.
No one knows all the Truth.
But God will hold us accountable for how we lived according to the truth we do know.
Also the bible is clear that you have to worship him with truth.
Jos 24:14, 1Sam 12:24, Ps 25:4,5, 43:3, 86:11, Isa 83:3, John 4: 23,24.
And finding and knowing the truth will affect our future. Rom 2:8, 2Cor 4:2, Eph 1:13, 1Tim 2:4, 2Tim 4:4, Tit 1:1,14, Heb 10:26, 2John 1-4, 3John 3,4.
Plenty of evidence that we need to find and know the truth of the Bible.
Originally posted by galveston75There is truth with a capital T and truth witha small t. small t truths are simply facts. jesus was the son of mary, true. Peter was a passionate idiot, true (though latertransformed by the Holy Spirit). Herod was King, true. Christ died and resurrected true (from the christian perspective), the nature of God? thete is a capital T there that we don't completely know about. God's name? also a capital T we can't be 100% sure of. Jesus commands us to love others as ourselves, both a small and capital T.
Well, we may not have the correct understanding of a certian issue by all means, but the truth is in the Bible. 2Tim 3:16, Acts 17:11, Ps 119: 160, John 17:17.
Also the bible is clear that you have to worship him with truth.
Jos 24:14, 1Sam 12:24, Ps 25:4,5, 43:3, 86:11, Isa 83:3, John 4: 23,24.
And finding and knowing the truth will affect our ...[text shortened]... 2John 1-4, 3John 3,4.
Plenty of evidence that we need to find and know the truth of the Bible.
I live by my consience, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong for the right reasons, and for that I'm sure God forgives
Originally posted by duecerSo with all the scriptures in the Bible and all the info in much regarded history books and manuscripts on the trinity, how does one decide what is the "T"ruth on the trinity?
There is truth with a capital T and truth witha small t. small t truths are simply facts. jesus was the son of mary, true. Peter was a passionate idiot, true (though latertransformed by the Holy Spirit). Herod was King, true. Christ died and resurrected true (from the christian perspective), the nature of God? thete is a capital T there that we don't complet ...[text shortened]... nsience, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong for the right reasons, and for that I'm sure God forgives
Originally posted by BadwaterYou know what? I think this day 9/11 should be anti-cussing day nation-wide in remberance of what happened, in respect for the dead and of each other, we should be united and help each other and be nice to each other on this day especially.
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Is tradition always bad? I would say no! A tradition of truth would be good.
So yes traditions should be questioned but no all traditions are evil. I'm sure the JW's have traditions being now over 100 years old.
I can't argue that when I read the scriptures I see Christ in His majesty! In His Glorified state with eyes of flaming fire! The Glorified lamb. That is what I see when I read the scriptures I believe that is the root of the issue for me when I see or perceive that some are trying to degrade Christ from His rightful place. That is why I get defensive with the JW's or Mormons or whatever. Lately I think I'm trying to understand more though.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71By no means are all traditions bad. We all have them in our ilfe's in one way or the other. But we just have to pay special attention to ones that have of a religious or spiritual context as that would be the main concern in God's viewpoint. And one would have to admit that alot of the religions out there have a tremedous amount of traditions in their religious practices. And just because they've done them for centuries doesn't mean that it may be ok to do.
Is tradition always bad? I would say no! A tradition of truth would be good.
So yes traditions should be questioned but no all traditions are evil. I'm sure the JW's have traditions being now over 100 years old.
I can't argue that when I read the scriptures I see Christ in His majesty! In His Glorified state with eyes of flaming fire! The Glorified lamb. ...[text shortened]... JW's or Mormons or whatever. Lately I think I'm trying to understand more though.
Manny
But as far as a real true religious tradition, Jesus told us to follow the event of his death and to keep doing it in rememberance of him. Basically the 26th chapter of Matthew explains this. Other then that he command to congregate with our brothers at meetings on a regular basis, to love one another and to follow his command to tell others about his teachings, that's about it.
Then if you look at 1 john 5:3 & Acts 15: 28,29 these bring out that Jesus actually wants us to have as little "Burden" on us as possible in contrast with what the religious leaders were doing to the people at that time. So again if one looks at some religions today, it would seem that they they have developed so many traditions in their worship to God that it would seem they've made their worship a burdensome event.
And by no means do we degrade Jesus. And by understanding who he is in relation to his Father does not do that. But Jesus said on a couple occasions to not worship him but only his Father. But we still hold Jesus up to the highest level possible because 1st he created us, 2nd he laid down his life for everyone of us, and last he will be the one we all answer to very shortly. He's done many more things but the point is he truely loves us and up to this point all he's done has been for his Father's will and in getting this earth and us humans back to what his Fathers original plans were. So not one selfish thing I know of that he's done. So yes we do place him really, really high...
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Originally posted by galveston75I showed you verses saying the Father is in the believers.
By no means are all traditions bad. We all have them in our ilfe's in one way or the other. But we just have to pay special attention to ones that have of a religious or spiritual context as that would be the main concern in God's viewpoint. And one would have to admit that alot of the religions out there have a tremedous amount of traditions in their re elfish thing I know of that he's done. So yes we do place him really, really high...
I showed you verses saying the Holy Spirit is in the believers.
I showed you verses saying that Jesus Christ is in the believers.
Where are there any passages saying that Michael the archangel is in the believers ?
Originally posted by galveston75Agreed.
Well, we may not have the correct understanding of a certian issue by all means, but the truth is in the Bible. 2Tim 3:16, Acts 17:11, Ps 119: 160, John 17:17.
Also the bible is clear that you have to worship him with truth.
Jos 24:14, 1Sam 12:24, Ps 25:4,5, 43:3, 86:11, Isa 83:3, John 4: 23,24.
And finding and knowing the truth will affect our ...[text shortened]... 2John 1-4, 3John 3,4.
Plenty of evidence that we need to find and know the truth of the Bible.