Trinintarin View

Originally posted by TerrierJack
I don't think your fun enters into it. Ask these guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism

It is not too much fun when an army shows up at your house prepared to burn it down and kill all your children. I wish you would ALL ask yourself that question: can you live with other people having beliefs different than yours or are you prepared to kil ...[text shortened]... mouth. I want to run off with this topic. (Tho I'm sure many here will continue to chase it.)

actually me and Galveston are in perfect agreement, i don't know if you noticed, and simple because the profundity of its wisdom escapes you, does not necessitate that it is a silly book, Mohandas Gandhi never thought its wisdom was silly, he is quoted as saying to the British viceroy of India at the time,

“When your country and mine shall get together on the teachings laid down by Christ in this Sermon on the Mount, we shall have solved the problems not only of our countries but those of the whole world.”

He saw its practical wisdom, we can see its practical wisdom, i wonder why cant you?

Originally posted by duecer
bickering on the interwebz is fun

i know, just like an atheist to come in and spoil the fun!

Originally posted by galveston75
I agree Robbie. This is not some foreign language here. It's very simple and cleary says just the opposite of what he thinks it says. How can that be? The only thing I know is he wants to believe it so bad that he's just not reading it the way it is.

perhaps they are used to speaking in tongues and need a time to readjust to normal cognitive processes.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
actually me and Galveston are in perfect agreement, i don't know if you noticed, and simple because the profundity of its wisdom escapes you, does not necessitate that it is a silly book, Mohandas Gandhi never thought its wisdom was silly, he is quoted as saying to the British viceroy of India at the time,

“When your country and mine shall get tog ...[text shortened]... world.”

He saw its practical wisdom, we can see its practical wisdom, i wonder why cant you?

Could it be that that's all you'll ever know of wisdom? What you agree with. I wonder why you can't see the wisdom in everything that you don't agree with? Ghandi could - or he would never had made that statement. For myself, I don't claim to be Ghandi. I should have said the people reading the book are silly. Wisdom is what you and I can make of knowledge - not the dry words themselves.

Originally posted by TerrierJack
Could it be that that's all you'll ever know of wisdom? What you agree with. I wonder why you can't see the wisdom in everything that you don't agree with? Ghandi could - or he would never had made that statement. For myself, I don't claim to be Ghandi. I should have said the people reading the book are silly. Wisdom is what you and I can make of knowledge - not the dry words themselves.

There is no wisdom in false techings...

Originally posted by TerrierJack
Could it be that that's all you'll ever know of wisdom? What you agree with. I wonder why you can't see the wisdom in everything that you don't agree with? Ghandi could - or he would never had made that statement. For myself, I don't claim to be Ghandi. I should have said the people reading the book are silly. Wisdom is what you and I can make of knowledge - not the dry words themselves.

wisdom is the application of knowledge as you have rightly spoken! It is not a case of agreeing, nor of disagreeing, but whether the course of wisdom is practical and has tangible benefits. Christ himself states that , 'wisdom is proven righteous by its works', this i think you may agree, is irrelevant as to whether i accept it or not. 🙂

I don't want to kill anyone. To me this fourm is a way to try & intelectually argue out what I believe. I admit that R.C. & G75 have me questioning my understanding of scripture but I really don't want to kill anyone. I strongly feel as much as we argue with R.C. & G75 they have the right/freewill to believe as they choose. If we blindly believe without questioning that is bad. I do question my understanding of the bible.

Manny
PS paint ball would be fun : )

Originally posted by menace71
I don't want to kill anyone. To me this fourm is a way to try & intelectually argue out what I believe. I admit that R.C. & G75 have me questioning my understanding of scripture but I really don't want to kill anyone. I strongly feel as much as we argue with R.C. & G75 they have the right/freewill to believe as they choose. If we blindly believe without que ...[text shortened]... is bad. I do question my understanding of the bible.

Manny
PS paint ball would be fun : )

questioning is the sign of an intellect that is healthy and living. it is those who yawn and sigh at everything, who are bored with life and can find no beauty in a blade of grass (check out Albrecht Durers waters colours if you don't believe me that grass is beautiful), that we should be concerned about.

http://artwork.barewalls.com/artwork/TallGrass.html?productid=2051&ns=normal

Originally posted by menace71
The psalmist was referring to God Almighty as our JW friends like to say. Jesus applies this Psalm to Himself in the Temple Story. The audacity of this Jesus dude to come rip up our temple then apply these Psalms to Himself. That was reason I used that.






Manny

Wow, I've never heard such a bizarre context in all my life. The writer is not referring to God - at all. It is neither implied nor directly stated.

Let's look at the story: Jesus arrives in Jerusalem on a promenade of palm leaves. He then visits the temple, presumably to worship, and then goes out of Jerusalem to the Mount of Olives for the night.

Come day, he is one pissed off dude. Jesus should have taken a chill pill but instead he marches from the Mount to the temple, in the process cursing a fig tree. That's one of the clues to how angry he is. He goes to the temple and overturns the money changer and dove merchant tables. In his anger he trashes the place; a fit of anger that most likely caused the religious authorities to decide that Jesus is far to dangerous to the status quo and must be put to death.

So why is Jesus so upset? Undoubtedly, when he went to the temple the night before he saw evidence of this merchant activity going on. Here is Rabbi Jesus, who is spiritually quite involved in his relationship with God and wanting that relationship for others...he goes to the most holy site in all Judaism, something that any rabbi who has never been would be looking forward to with utmost anticipation, and he finds.....

He finds not the most holy of holy places where God is held above all else! He finds a place where the affairs of men encroach upon the worship of God and are so important that they are happening right in the Temple!! The affairs of people are as important, or even more important, than the worship of the Most High. It should be no wonder that Jesus is so incredibly pissed off.

This passage has nothing to do with what you're referring to, menace - not in any way, shape, or form. What it speaks to is quite obvious, and I would challenge you to find the obvious meaning in what the writer is trying to convey of the event instead of inventing your own meanings in your own ways, and connecting your own dots with your own lines; and not making a lick of sense in the process.

Originally posted by Badwater
Wow, I've never heard such a bizarre context in all my life. The writer is not referring to God - at all. It is neither implied nor directly stated.

Let's look at the story: Jesus arrives in Jerusalem on a promenade of palm leaves. He then visits the temple, presumably to worship, and then goes out of Jerusalem to the Mount of Olives for the night.

Co ...[text shortened]... connecting your own dots with your own lines; and not making a lick of sense in the process.

Like a miser proving the will of some one that has left him some money, or like any one in love, being taken up with thoughts of the object of affection, so any one to whom God has given a true heart, (as He has, in regeneration, given to all his elect,) is enabled to drive on, sooner or later, to the full completion of his aims and plans. The continuous power of God affects this, as regards religion, in the elect. A religion even of fits and starts merely, will not perfectly satisfy the quickened elect. It is true, indeed, that their springs are in God, and that they cannot keep alive their own souls. But are they completely content with this? Can they sit down with their hands before them, and laugh, and look blithe, like the notionalists, saying, “Ah! we can do nothing; it is all of grace, and let us be comfortable whether we are in darkness or light, joy or sorrow”? No, indeed, not so. Would the miser, that has got the title deeds of an estate left to him, sit down and say, “Ah! I do not mind whether I have the will proved, or get the money arising from the property into my own hands, or not; the parchment deeds will satisfy me”? No, indeed. If he is a genuine miser he wants to see, handle, and have locked up the plain gold as the proceeds. Would anyone in love never care about marriage as the final consummation? Nay, would he not rather make that the garland at the end of the race, which, if he did not win, he was baffled and confounded in his aims and plans throughout and altogether?
So with the will of God; the quickened saints the Holy Spirit stirs up to contend valiantly arid victoriously, too, for the prize, namely, salvation. This He does by various means, and in diverse ways, as follows. But indeed, as I intend, God enabling me, to briefly set forth the different items required for a perfect proof, experimentally, of the will of the most high God in Christ; according to that passage of Scripture, “That ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable and perfect will of God.” And, here what a glorious field is opened out to those who have experimental implements of husbandry to dig therein! for the weapons must not be carnal in the letter, but mighty through God — through inwrought power in the kingdom of God within. Saving grace is felt grace.
1st. For the proof of God’s will there must be an inward knowledge of law and Gospel, ruin and restoration, sickness and healing balm, disquietude and rest. “I beseech you by the mercies of God.” But mercy is but a phantom except to culprits and criminals; and if God makes a man an experimental criminal, He will pardon him. If the spirit of bondage slays a man, the Spirit of adoption will restore him, renovate him, and glorify him. If Sinai genders a man into prison, the proclamation of the Gospel will insist on a perfect gaol delivery.
2ndly. The body must become a living sacrifice under the mortifying operation of the Spirit of God, “crucifying the flesh with its affections (or feelings) and lusts,” (or desires😉 and crucifying us to the world, and the world unto us. “Present your bodies a living SACRIFICE, holy and acceptable, unto God, which is your REASONABLE service; and be not conformed unto this world.”
3rdly. “But be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.” The transformation consists in the whole work of the Spirit from beginning to end, for it is the Spirit that quickeneth. All without Him is death, nature, and head-knowledge. Thus a knowledge inwardly of Moses and of Christ, the mortification of the body and crucifixion of the world are, as I stated, the Spirit’s sovereign operations. The burning wrath of God, the peace of God which passeth all understanding, the spiritual dew of heaven making the soul to shine, glitter, and be bespangled with brilliancy, moistness, and the silvery glows of delight, are all transforming operations translating us from nature to grace.
The beauteous and transporting beams, rays, glories, renovating power, spiritual penetrations, healing balm, lucid admirableness, amazing nature, warming blessedness, unspeakable attractions, vivid, enlightening, self-existent excellencies, and mollifying raptures, yea, ravishing distillations of “the Sun of righteousness;” all these also worketh into the soul, and reneweth, day by day, the selfsame Spirit, whose renewings of our mind, and whose transforming us into the image of God we are speaking of; which image of the invisible God is Christ in us, our vital hope and victory. A tender conscience steering between legality and licentiousness is part of the Spirit’s transformation of us. Imputed righteousness, inward and outwardly, He reveals to us, and edifies us in it. The blood of Christ He sprinkles on us, and in us, decking us thus with everlasting innocency, and clothing us upon, and clothing us inwardly in the gorgeous robe of God’s righteousness; and by imputation upon us, we thus are rendered fit guests for God at the grand nuptial “supper of the Lamb.” O amazing topics! O enrapturing glories! O ravishing delights! while He, the glorious Transformer and Renewer, is entempled within us, walking and dwelling there in lustre, life, and indestructible efficacy and power.
Well, what is wanting now for the perfect proof of God’s will, according to our text? for what I have said already is “good and acceptable, and perfect will of God.” Ah! there is the point. I believe this perfection, then, is neither more or less than the perfecting of love in felt union of spiritual matrimony between the soul and Christ; as it is written “He that IS joined unto the Lord is one spirit;” (I Cor. 6:17) whereby the soul spiritually becomes, as is revealed, “a member of Christ’s body, of His flesh and of His bones.” (Eph. 5:30) This is the crowning point; this is the perfection! He that dwelleth in love spiritually thus dwelleth in God, and God in him. Victory then waves its triumphant banners over every foe. The soul then, enflamed with rapture to the highest pitch, cries out in triumphant language and challenge, “Who shall separate me from the love of God,” seeing and feeling this union?
O amazing bond which never can be snapped! O this felt bond of perfectness love! Thence is received “eternal life and immortality.” Thence is the abolishment of death. It has been my happy lot for some years to be thus enwrapped, cemented and overshadowed. I write with the more concern on this subject because I know this union, which is the bond of perfectness, in my own experience, and that, too, day by day, for every God-glorifying feeling and divine grace and gift come along with it. It charms my’ feelings, it assuages my sorrows, it lulls into quietude and repose every distress, it fans every divine excellence, it enlightens me with “the light of life,” it produces tenderness of conscience, it feeds jealousy for the honor of God, it enlarges my understanding, it fertilizes every holy, sin-hating, pure, and heavenly good in me; and, in one word, it drives to rapture and ravishment unutterable, and bears the impress of God on it throughout. O blessed feeling! O endearing relationship! It is the perfecting of love. There is nothing beyond it. It is heaven, and the state of glory beyond death will only be an increase of it, for spiritual love perfected is the conclusion of the whole matter. There is nothing further to be known than this; and, knowing it, I therefore write of it, for I have the hope of the mystery of God’s will proved perfectly in me thus. Blessed be the name of the Lord for it, for I find it good, acceptable and perfect. Blessed for ever be the Most High.

Jesus Is God.

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Originally posted by Badwater
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EPIC FAIL

Originally posted by daniel58
Like a miser proving the will of some one that has left him some money, or like any one in love, being taken up with thoughts of the object of affection, so any one to whom God has given a true heart, (as He has, in regeneration, given to all his elect,) is enabled to drive on, sooner or later, to the full completion of his aims and plans. The continuous po ...[text shortened]... for I find it good, acceptable and perfect. Blessed for ever be the Most High.

Jesus Is God.

I don't mean this in a bad way Daniel, but you need to clear your mind of this stuff. I as others don't know why your posting this. Kinda strange.

Everyone is entitled to their view right? G75 & R.C. have their views right? You have to remember I'm a Christian. How do Christians view Christ? If He was indeed just a good rabbi than I guess Christians myself included are to be pitied or we are just dumb. I just don't see Jesus in the same light as many. Some say He was a good rabbi. A prophet even. I would say He is indeed all of those things but for a Christian He is Lord & savior.
Lastly I agree my thoughts were all over the place 🙂 I'm not eloquent as say R.C. but I was trying. R.C. & G75 at least they are challenging me to rethink some things. I don't want to be an armchair Christian & JW's do get out there. I know there are Christian missionary's but really How many are going to come knock on your door?

Manny