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Originally posted by galveston75Going to bed now...Be back in the morning.
Water from a rock.....
Originally posted by galveston75[b]We attack those verses because these are the only few verses that Trinitarians use to try and prove this belief with but for some reason ignor all the other 99% of the Bible and all the historicle proof that the trinity was never taught by Jesus or any Christians or in the Bible and that it has pagan origins.[/b]
We attack those verses because these are the only few verses that Trinitarians use to try and prove this belief with but for some reason ignor all the other 99% of the Bible and all the historicle proof that the trinity was never taught by Jesus or any Christians or in the Bible and that it has pagan origins.
If for no other reason the origins should t ...[text shortened]... entations of the trinity in there art work and such. Does this not mean a thing to you guys?????
Originally posted by menace71It's not fair manny that you make statements like only God can do miracles, then I call you out on that with examples of others that did then that were obviously not God, and now you don't respond. Not cool.... You guys do this way to much.
LOL G75 You should know better by now. This will go around & around. The Christian Church has for the most part believed in the trinity for at least 2000 years now. Honestly though I think it is just something for to argue about. The abstaining from blood or certain foods or any of this has the appearance of looking holy but has no real basis in reality. T ...[text shortened]... d have sufficed for us. However the law was a school master to teach us about grace.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71What foods do we not eat? Where do you get these things? You know Manny I respect you and yout opinions. But you really shouldn't spout off about things with religions that you really don't have the facts correct. It kinda makes you look bad and I think your smarter then that...
LOL G75 You should know better by now. This will go around & around. The Christian Church has for the most part believed in the trinity for at least 2000 years now. Honestly though I think it is just something for to argue about. The abstaining from blood or certain foods or any of this has the appearance of looking holy but has no real basis in reality. T ...[text shortened]... d have sufficed for us. However the law was a school master to teach us about grace.
Manny
Originally posted by galveston75===============================
So Jesus was "mixed or mingeled" after he was resurrected? So he wasn't part of God before he was born as a human? I thought you all said he's always been 1 of 3 from all of eternity?
Story keeps changing guys...
Originally posted by galveston75That's an interesting statement coming from you Galvo.
What foods do we not eat? Where do you get these things? You know Manny I respect you and yout opinions. But you really shouldn't spout off about things with religions that you really don't have the facts correct. It kinda makes you look bad and I think your smarter then that...
Originally posted by Proper KnobI never said I had all the facts as some there say, did I?
That's an interesting statement coming from you Galvo.
I'm going to change one word in the sentence and see if you get the irony.
But you really shouldn't spout off about things with [b]science that you really don't have the facts correct.[/b]
Originally posted by jaywillWhat does "Firstborn" mean? Keep it simple please..
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So Jesus was "mixed or mingeled" after he was resurrected? So he wasn't part of God before he was born as a human? I thought you all said he's always been 1 of 3 from all of eternity?
Story keeps changing guys...
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You complain about Trinitarian multi gods when you ...[text shortened]... l lead many sons into the expression of the Divine Being mingled with humanity.[/b]
Originally posted by galveston75======================
What does "Firstborn" mean? Keep it simple please..
Originally posted by jaywillWell I think your wrong on this as both Col 1:15 and Rev 3:14 are both very clear where it says he, Jesus, was the "Firstborn" of all creation. I know you guys sideskirt this all the time and I'm sure you will here too but this only means one thing and one thing only. Jesus was the first thing that God brought forth or created. And this was before anything else was ever created.
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What does "Firstborn" mean? Keep it simple please..
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In the contexts of Acts 13:33, Psalm 2, Hebrews 1:6; and Romans 1:4; Romans 8:29 it should be easy enough to understand.
"Many brothers" helps to understand "Firstborn" should mean there:
" ... conforme ...[text shortened]... n with the created creature.
Receive Jesus and begin to be mingled with God.
Originally posted by galveston75==============================
Well I think your wrong on this as both Col 1:15 and Rev 3:14 are both very clear where it says he, Jesus, was the "Firstborn" of all creation. I know you guys sideskirt this all the time and I'm sure you will here too but this only means one thing and one thing only. Jesus was the first thing that God brought forth or created. And this was before anythi it or not.
Firstborn means Firstborn.... He is not and has never been Almighty God himself.