Originally posted by 667joe
Most people who profess to believe in god or Christ really don't, and I think I can prove it. Many believers state that god (or Jesus) is always present and is aware of everything that is going on. Yet most human beings will at least on occasion do, say, or at least think reprehensible things that they would never even consider if Jesus were actually in the ...[text shortened]... , as an active being does not exist. His reported teachings affect people, but not he himself.
Most people who profess to believe in god or Christ really don't, and I think I can prove it.
A good place to begin with following Jesus Christ is not to be concerned with what "most people" do. Rather set your heart to follow Christ as you know in your heart you should.
On the day of judgment do you think God will hear your excuses about what "most people" did or did not do ? He will examine what you
Many believers state that god (or Jesus) is always present and is aware of everything that is going on. Yet most human beings will at least on occasion do, say, or at least think reprehensible things that they would never even consider if Jesus were actually in the room with them.
God does not expect a Christian to muster up self effort to imitate being good. The process of Christ making His home in our hearts is the process of learning to live in union with Him, moving as He moves, feeling as He feels, speaking, thinking, acting in a blended way with His movement within.
This what is meant by the grace of Christ. It is living a life of abiding in Him rather than trying to figure out "What would Jesus do?" imitating that in our own strength.
The one who is born of God must allow the seed life to grow and develop and spread into his choices, actions, thought life. This is abiding in a living Person who is "a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)
It is an adventure and it takes a life time to master.
In other words, if Jesus were actually with them, there would be no misbehavior. The misbehavior therefore occurs when the person is confident Jesus is not there, which is in direct conflict with the idea he is always there.
This only speaks that there are a lot of immature Christians. It does not prove that Christ is not risen, available, and living.
As an unbeliever you are also oblivious to the transgressions you are accumulating day by day. You also have no sober sense that you are on a rendevous with reality when you one day have to give an account for the speeches you have given against God.
I am not discouraged because I know thousands of Christians whose lives are mightily effected by their moment by moment fellowship with the indwelling Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
My sense is that the future of the Christian church is rather glorious. I suppose it depends on what one is looking for. I look for Christian brothers and sisters who will encourage my faith.
Others keep their eye out for reasons to disbelieve.
Of course as an atheist, I say good or bad behavior is not affected directly by Jesus because he, as an active being does not exist. His reported teachings affect people, but not he himself.
I would have it the other way around. Any real change in Christians useful in God's kingdom is by Christ Himself and not by Christ's teachings apart from He Himself living within them.
You try loving your enemies. Doesn't last too long.
You try turning the other cheek.
You try not looking at a woman to lust after her in imagined adultery.
You try praying for those who persecute you.
These things are hard to genuinely do from the heart. Imitation is like a poodle walking upright like a man. It just doesn't look like the same thing.
It is by abiding in the available and living Christ Who is in resurrection that we can live through Him. And without abiding in Him we really can do nothing.
Thousands upon thousands are inheriting the promises. That encourages me that the atheist is completely wrong and the believer in Christ is on the right track.
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