Originally posted by Agerg
You stated in the response for which I gave a partial quote, that we are worthy of [b]execution which, by definition, is the bringing about of death by means of capital punishment in accordance with law. Moreover, the conditions in that scripture passage don't apply to you (in most cases) since
Being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, coveto ich is part of the punchline to (2) in my last response which you didn't understand)
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You stated in the response for which I gave a partial quote, that we are worthy of execution which, by definition, is the bringing about of death by means of capital punishment in accordance with law.
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I looked for the quotation
"worthy of execution" and could not find that I wrote that. The Romans passage says
"worthy of death".
Please cut and paste my quotation of
"worthy of execution" if I wrote that.
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Moreover, the conditions in that scripture passage don't apply to you (in most cases) since
Being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetous, malice, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, whisperers, slanderers Satisfying any of these (apart from covetous & perhaps whisperers - what does the latter mean?) requires you be an utter bastard - I don't think this is the case.
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I don't follow you here. Paul is laying the ground work for a doctrine of condemnation. From there he goes into justification and redemption etc.
Chapter 1:18 through chapter 3:20 is on Condemnation.
1:18 - 32 is a condemnation of Mankind in general
2:1-16 is a condemnation on the Self-righteous people in particular
2:17 - 3:8 is a condemnation on Religious Specifically
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Hateful to God You clearly fail this criterion
insolent, arrogant I have not seen sufficent evidence to say you fully satisfy this criterion.
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I fail to see your point in all this. I think we are headed in this section of Paul's letter to a general situation of all people that
"the wages of sin is death". And we arrive at
"all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." (2:23)
From including all men under condemnation Paul then establishes that through Christ there is justification by His grace -
"Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus"
I am not sure what fruitfulness is derived in two sinners arguing "This applies to YOU. That applies to ME. This applies to YOU. That applies to HIM."
I do not take this section of Romans as anything but an emphasis on the seriousness of our iniquites. Before God's holiness and glory we all fall short and it is a very serious matter.
Any kind of aportioning out this or that error seems to me to miss the essential point. We should all understand that we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We all need to be reconciled to God.
I'll skip the rest of this tangent and see what you have below it.
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In short it applies to me more than it does you because though I don't believe in God it can be successfully argued I hate your concept of this entity and I clearly don't have faith.
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The point of this section of Romans is not that two sinners would argue over who tallies up more errors then the other. The point is that ALL have sinned.
Do not compare yourself with me or I with you. We both are compared to Jesus Christ. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Christ has not sinned and fully expresses the glory of God as MAN was intended to by creation.
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I'm not seeking to build a case for my own execution I'm seeking to demonstrate *you* think I should be executed; furthermore if you don't think I should be executed then you would not be acting in accordance with scripture, since in this case you would likely fail to agree with it. (which is part of the punchline to (2) in my last response which you didn't understand)
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To repeat, what Christ has commissioned the Christian with is the Gospel - the Good News of forgiveness of sins and salvation in Christ.
"And thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise up from the dead on the third day, and that repentance for forgivenesss of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things.
And behold, I send forth the promise of My Father upon you ... you put on power from on high." (See Luke 24:46-49)
Sorry to disappoint you, but I read no instructions about your stoning or execution.
You may find some fanatical people to obligue you. But you won't be able to blame that on the Gospel of Christ. No execution will be forthcoming from me, only prayer and some announcing of the love of Jesus.