@sonship saidHe is willfully blind, even when it is said everyone has an opinion, but the truth is true for everyone, he says "No, everyone has an opinion!", and that is his argument. He doesn't care what it true, only that there are disagreements about it and therefore doesn't acknowledge that the truth of each discussion doesn't depend on who believes or disbelieves in anything; it is only what is! Having a disagreement on any topic doesn't mean the truth about the discussion is voided, and if that choice or opinion has a consequence being right or wrong, then the consequence will occur when it does, having a wrong opinion doesn't make consequences go away.
@FMF
You are entitled to your personal opinion about whether you are right.
Is that absolutely true?
21 Sep 19
@kellyjay saidMy 'argument' is that we can both insist we "know" the truth about spiritual matters that are unprovable and unknowable as we live our lives, but no matter how certain and sincere we are about such beliefs, they will simply be speculations, aspirations, hypotheses and, at their very essence, personal, subjective opinions.
He is willfully blind, even when it is said everyone has an opinion, but the truth is true for everyone, he says "No, everyone has an opinion!", and that is his argument.
21 Sep 19
@kellyjay saidBut there ARE disagreements about what is "true" when it comes to our personal perceptions regarding superntaural things. Why would either of us deny this?
He doesn't care what it true, only that there are disagreements about it and therefore doesn't acknowledge that the truth of each discussion doesn't depend on who believes or disbelieves in anything; it is only what is!
21 Sep 19
@kellyjay saidYou are entitled to your personal opinions about what the "consequences" will be for me if l I disagree with you about spiritual matters. There is nothing wrong or unusual about you being subjective in this way.
Having a disagreement on any topic doesn't mean the truth about the discussion is voided, and if that choice or opinion has a consequence being right or wrong, then the consequence will occur when it does, having a wrong opinion doesn't make consequences go away.
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You are entitled to your personal opinions about what the "consequences" will be for me if l I disagree with you about spiritual matters. There is nothing wrong or unusual about you being subjective in this way.
All well and good. But how does it effect your answers to the bullet points?
Does this mean "Truth is discovered not invented " is an not invalid statment ?
Does this mean "Truth is transcultural: it can be conveyed across different cultures. " is not true ?
Does this mean "Truth is unchanging: it can be conveyed across time. " is not true ?
Fouth bullet - Beliefs cannot change a truth statement no matter how sincere one may be
Does each entitled to his sincere opinion makes this not true ?
Does everyone entitled to thier subjective sincere opinion make these three statements not true?
Truth is unaffected by the attitude of the one professing it
• All Truths are absolute
• Truth is knowable
21 Sep 19
@sonship saidRead the thread.
@FMF
You are entitled to your personal opinions about what the "consequences" will be for me if l I disagree with you about spiritual matters. There is nothing wrong or unusual about you being subjective in this way.
All well and good. But how does it effect your answers to the bullet points?
Does this mean "Truth is discovered not invented " ...[text shortened]... fected by the attitude of the one professing it
• All Truths are absolute
• Truth is knowable [/i]
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21 Sep 19
@sonship saidIf you're interested, intellectually speaking, in my views on "absolute truth", then you will take the time to read, rather than ask me to repeat myself in an insincere and trolling make-work way... in which case I'm not interested.
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You are entitled to your personal opinions about what the "consequences" will be for me if l I disagree with you about spiritual matters. There is nothing wrong or unusual about you being subjective in this way.
All well and good. But how does it effect your answers to the bullet points?
Does this mean "Truth is discovered not invented " ...[text shortened]... fected by the attitude of the one professing it
• All Truths are absolute
• Truth is knowable [/i]
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22 Sep 19
@sonship saidFMFs new catch phrase when asked some tough questions seems to be ‘you are entitled to your personal subjective opinions.’
@FMF
You are entitled to your personal opinions about what the "consequences" will be for me if l I disagree with you about spiritual matters. There is nothing wrong or unusual about you being subjective in this way.
All well and good. But how does it effect your answers to the bullet points?
Does this mean "Truth is discovered not invented " ...[text shortened]... fected by the attitude of the one professing it
• All Truths are absolute
• Truth is knowable [/i]
22 Sep 19
@dj2becker saidYou haven't asked any "tough questions". And "you are entitled to your personal subjective opinions" is a recognition of your viewpoint, not a "catchphrase".
FMFs new catch phrase when asked some tough questions seems to be ‘you are entitled to your personal subjective opinions.’