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Truth that is defined as being absolute, possesses the following qualities.
• Truth is discovered not invented
• Truth is transcultural: it can be conveyed across different cultures.
• Truth is unchanging: it can be conveyed across time.
• Beliefs cannot change a truth statement no matter how sincere one may be
• Truth is unaffected by the attitude of the one professing it
• All Truths are absolute
• Truth is knowable
In order for truth to be absolute and holding these qualities, it must be grounded in a source that is personal, unchanging, and sovereign over all of creation.
Which of the above bullet points would you agree or disagree with and why?
https://evidenceandanswers.org/article/truth-absolute-or-relative/
@dj2becker saidI would agree, if we are talking opinions that may vary, but truth no.
Truth that is defined as being absolute, possesses the following qualities.
• Truth is discovered not invented
• Truth is transcultural: it can be conveyed across different cultures.
• Truth is unchanging: it can be conveyed across time.
• Beliefs cannot change a truth statement no matter how sincere one may be
• Truth is unaffected by the attitude of the one profess ...[text shortened]... ee or disagree with and why?
https://evidenceandanswers.org/article/truth-absolute-or-relative/
Truth will be confirmed, not altered with new information.
@dj2becker saidYOUR truth, or THEIR truth?
Truth that is defined as being absolute, possesses the following qualities.
• Truth is discovered not invented
• Truth is transcultural: it can be conveyed across different cultures.
• Truth is unchanging: it can be conveyed across time.
• Beliefs cannot change a truth statement no matter how sincere one may be
• Truth is unaffected by the attitude of the one profess ...[text shortened]... ee or disagree with and why?
https://evidenceandanswers.org/article/truth-absolute-or-relative/
Usually, all one cares about is their own truth (calling it 'absolute' or some rubbish), and all other truth is rendered as 'not-truth' in their mind.
It's this kind of thing that leads to wars, to murder, to all kinds of evil. Because to some people, there MUST be a dichotomy in order to hold up THEIR truth as 'true', and all others as 'false'.
29 Aug 19
@kellyjay saidWhen it comes to moral compasses, the source of the stances we take are unique permutations of nature and nurture. The effect it has on our actions and how we perceive ourselves and others is the realm of subjectivity.
I would agree, if we are talking opinions that may vary, but truth no.
Truth will be confirmed, not altered with new information.
@suzianne saidWe can have opinions, but we cannot alter real truth by them.
YOUR truth, or THEIR truth?
Usually, all one cares about is their own truth (calling it 'absolute' or some rubbish), and all other truth is rendered as 'not-truth' in their mind.
It's this kind of thing that leads to wars, to murder, to all kinds of evil. Because to some people, there MUST be a dichotomy in order to hold up THEIR truth as 'true', and all others as 'false'.
If truth is dependent on us, it isn't an absolute, if we are held to it regardless it is.
29 Aug 19
@kellyjay saidBut our moral compasses are dependent on us. Each person's compass is unique. You can use your one to help you perceive mine and then decide what your opinion is. And I can use mine to do the same to yours. You characterizing your opinion as "absolute truth" is just hyperbole and maybe even self-aggrandizement.
We can have opinions, but we cannot alter real truth by them.
If truth is dependent on us, it isn't an absolute, if we are held to it regardless it is.
29 Aug 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat shows some are quite taken in by themselves more than it does anything else don’t you think? I find it also telling these discussions get personal fast, as if truth can be found by going after people instead of what is being discussed, motivation mongering.
Of course, everyone's own opinion happens to align with this 'real truth.' (In their own eyes at least).
Funny that.
@suzianne saidGod's truth.
YOUR truth, or THEIR truth?
Usually, all one cares about is their own truth (calling it 'absolute' or some rubbish), and all other truth is rendered as 'not-truth' in their mind.
It's this kind of thing that leads to wars, to murder, to all kinds of evil. Because to some people, there MUST be a dichotomy in order to hold up THEIR truth as 'true', and all others as 'false'.
Did you lose track of that? Have you never learned that God is immutable and infallible?
Certainly you don't believe man is immutable and infallible do you?
Do you think God's Truth is unknowable?
29 Aug 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIf there is no God that communicates His immutable and infallible will to man, then that is very funny.
Of course, everyone's own opinion happens to align with this 'real truth.' (In their own eyes at least).
Funny that.
29 Aug 19
@fmf said"Each person's compass is unique."
But our moral compasses are dependent on us. Each person's compass is unique. You can use your one to help you perceive mine and then decide what your opinion is. And I can use mine to do the same to yours. You characterizing your opinion as "absolute truth" is just hyperbole and maybe even self-aggrandizement.
But only when it points toward the truth.
You may argue that "truth" is relative, but that would only be your opinion because by thinking truth is relative you render it subject to the vagaries of opinions, which in turn renders your opinion obsolete and without merit.
It may be your opinion that gravity doesn't exist, but if you stepped off the roof of a ten story building you'd learn real fast that gravity isn't subject to your opinion. (That's a rhetorical statement)
29 Aug 19
@secondson saidNonsense. Every person's moral compass is unique regardless of where it points.
"Each person's compass is unique."
But only when it points toward the truth.
29 Aug 19
@secondson saidMorality is subjective. Gravity isn't.
It may be your opinion that gravity doesn't exist, but if you stepped off the roof of a ten story building you'd learn real fast that gravity isn't subject to your opinion.
29 Aug 19
@secondson saidHow much merit you think my opinions have on matters of spirituality and morality etc. and how much merit I think your opinions have is all squarely in the realm of subjectivity.
You may argue that "truth" is relative, but that would only be your opinion because by thinking truth is relative you render it subject to the vagaries of opinions, which in turn renders your opinion obsolete and without merit.
29 Aug 19
@fmf saidI didn't say every person's moral compass wasn't unique.
Nonsense. Every person's moral compass is unique regardless of where it points.
If every person's unique moral compass points in every which direction relative to truth, then where's the truth?
I bet you can't answer that truthfully.