Truth that is defined as being absolute, possesses the following qualities.
• Truth is discovered not invented
• Truth is transcultural: it can be conveyed across different cultures.
• Truth is unchanging: it can be conveyed across time.
• Beliefs cannot change a truth statement no matter how sincere one may be
• Truth is unaffected by the attitude of the one professing it
• All Truths are absolute
• Truth is knowable
In order for truth to be absolute and holding these qualities, it must be grounded in a source that is personal, unchanging, and sovereign over all of creation.
Which of the above bullet points would you agree or disagree with and why?
@dj2beckersaid Truth that is defined as being absolute, possesses the following qualities.
• Truth is discovered not invented
• Truth is transcultural: it can be conveyed across different cultures.
• Truth is unchanging: it can be conveyed across time.
• Beliefs cannot change a truth statement no matter how sincere one may be
• Truth is unaffected by the attitude of the one profess ...[text shortened]... ee or disagree with and why?
@dj2beckersaid Truth that is defined as being absolute, possesses the following qualities.
• Truth is discovered not invented
• Truth is transcultural: it can be conveyed across different cultures.
• Truth is unchanging: it can be conveyed across time.
• Beliefs cannot change a truth statement no matter how sincere one may be
• Truth is unaffected by the attitude of the one profess ...[text shortened]... ee or disagree with and why?
Usually, all one cares about is their own truth (calling it 'absolute' or some rubbish), and all other truth is rendered as 'not-truth' in their mind.
It's this kind of thing that leads to wars, to murder, to all kinds of evil. Because to some people, there MUST be a dichotomy in order to hold up THEIR truth as 'true', and all others as 'false'.
@kellyjaysaid I would agree, if we are talking opinions that may vary, but truth no.
Truth will be confirmed, not altered with new information.
When it comes to moral compasses, the source of the stances we take are unique permutations of nature and nurture. The effect it has on our actions and how we perceive ourselves and others is the realm of subjectivity.
Usually, all one cares about is their own truth (calling it 'absolute' or some rubbish), and all other truth is rendered as 'not-truth' in their mind.
It's this kind of thing that leads to wars, to murder, to all kinds of evil. Because to some people, there MUST be a dichotomy in order to hold up THEIR truth as 'true', and all others as 'false'.
We can have opinions, but we cannot alter real truth by them.
If truth is dependent on us, it isn't an absolute, if we are held to it regardless it is.
@kellyjaysaid We can have opinions, but we cannot alter real truth by them.
If truth is dependent on us, it isn't an absolute, if we are held to it regardless it is.
Of course, everyone's own opinion happens to align with this 'real truth.' (In their own eyes at least).
@kellyjaysaid We can have opinions, but we cannot alter real truth by them.
If truth is dependent on us, it isn't an absolute, if we are held to it regardless it is.
But our moral compasses are dependent on us. Each person's compass is unique. You can use your one to help you perceive mine and then decide what your opinion is. And I can use mine to do the same to yours. You characterizing your opinion as "absolute truth" is just hyperbole and maybe even self-aggrandizement.
@ghost-of-a-dukesaid Of course, everyone's own opinion happens to align with this 'real truth.' (In their own eyes at least).
Funny that.
That shows some are quite taken in by themselves more than it does anything else don’t you think? I find it also telling these discussions get personal fast, as if truth can be found by going after people instead of what is being discussed, motivation mongering.
Usually, all one cares about is their own truth (calling it 'absolute' or some rubbish), and all other truth is rendered as 'not-truth' in their mind.
It's this kind of thing that leads to wars, to murder, to all kinds of evil. Because to some people, there MUST be a dichotomy in order to hold up THEIR truth as 'true', and all others as 'false'.
God's truth.
Did you lose track of that? Have you never learned that God is immutable and infallible?
Certainly you don't believe man is immutable and infallible do you?
@fmfsaid But our moral compasses are dependent on us. Each person's compass is unique. You can use your one to help you perceive mine and then decide what your opinion is. And I can use mine to do the same to yours. You characterizing your opinion as "absolute truth" is just hyperbole and maybe even self-aggrandizement.
"Each person's compass is unique."
But only when it points toward the truth.
You may argue that "truth" is relative, but that would only be your opinion because by thinking truth is relative you render it subject to the vagaries of opinions, which in turn renders your opinion obsolete and without merit.
It may be your opinion that gravity doesn't exist, but if you stepped off the roof of a ten story building you'd learn real fast that gravity isn't subject to your opinion. (That's a rhetorical statement)
@secondsonsaid It may be your opinion that gravity doesn't exist, but if you stepped off the roof of a ten story building you'd learn real fast that gravity isn't subject to your opinion.
@secondsonsaid You may argue that "truth" is relative, but that would only be your opinion because by thinking truth is relative you render it subject to the vagaries of opinions, which in turn renders your opinion obsolete and without merit.
How much merit you think my opinions have on matters of spirituality and morality etc. and how much merit I think your opinions have is all squarely in the realm of subjectivity.
Truth- Absolute or Relative?
29 Aug '19 08:53
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