@roigam saidAppreciate you noticing my post.
@SecondSon
Good point. Peace is the basis of all lasting relationships.
Stellspalfie seems to post at random.
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@suzianne saidNot strategies...but turning the other cheek is new testament, is it not? How about not killing? Does Jesus make exceptions?
So you *did* mean "adversaries"?
Just looking for clarity.
Anyways, the New Testament was written by Jesus' followers, not Sun Tzu. I wouldn't expect it to advocate strategies for using lethal force.
@bigdoggproblem saidI had tears coming out of my eyes with this post, it is GREAT!
I administer lethal force to my advisories in cases such as:
- Embarrassing typos
- Information I want to keep out of enemy hands
- Claims or positions I wish to retract
Other than that, I try to stand by my advisories as much as possible.
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@kellyjay saidWell Mr J.....do you feel that Americas military interventions are just?
I had tears coming out of my eyes with this post, it is GREAT!
@stellspalfie saidNot a fan of war, combat, and so on. I did serve during Vietnam, but didn't go there during my time in the Navy. Interventions would have to be looked at one at a time.
Well Mr J.....do you feel that Americas military interventions are just?
Blanket statements typically not a wise thing to apply on most things.
@stellspalfie saidJesus raise the bar even more.
Not strategies...but turning the other cheek is new testament, is it not? How about not killing? Does Jesus make exceptions?
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
@stellspalfie saidThere is a long tradition of killing the messenger.
What directions and clarity does the New Testament give modern day society on how and when it is okay to administer lethal force to our advisories?
In answer to your intended question, lethal force was ruled out in early Christianity, but, a little after the Romans adopted Christianity as a state religion, St. Augustine of Hippo developed the Christian version of Just War Theory. The problem is the commandments do not come with caveats. The relevant one says: "Thou shalt not kill." - it does not come with riders such as "except in self-defence", or "except to right a wrong". So I feel there is some level of incoherence here.
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@kellyjay saidDid you shoot to kill during your war years?
Not a fan of war, combat, and so on. I did serve during Vietnam, but didn't go there during my time in the Navy. Interventions would have to be looked at one at a time.
Blanket statements typically not a wise thing to apply on most things.
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@deepthought saidThanks, you made my point, but much more eloquently.
There is a long tradition of killing the messenger.
In answer to your intended question, lethal force was ruled out in early Christianity, but, a little after the Romans adopted Christianity as a state religion, St. Augustine of Hippo developed the Christian version of Just War Theory. The problem is the commandments do not come with caveats. The relevant one says: " ...[text shortened]... in self-defence", or "except to right a wrong". So I feel there is some level of incoherence here.
@stellspalfie saidNo, thankfully. Have you ever had to kill someone?
Did you shoot to kill during your war years?
@kellyjay saidWas the U.S. role in the Vietnam War a "Just War" in the way Christians talk about the concept?
Not a fan of war, combat, and so on. I did serve during Vietnam, but didn't go there during my time in the Navy. Interventions would have to be looked at one at a time.
Blanket statements typically not a wise thing to apply on most things.
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@kellyjay saidOnly with love. How do you reconcile the killing and aggression shown by your military with the nonviolent messages of the new testament?
No, thankfully. Have you ever had to kill someone?