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Latter the aged Daniel has to remind the Babylonian king's royal son Belshazzar of the humbling experience of his father.
To Belshazzar Daniel explains -
"But you have exalted against the Lord of the heavens; and they have brought the vessels of His house before you, and you and your lords, your wives, and your concubines have drunk wine from them; and you have praised the gods of silver and of gold, of bronze, iron, wood, and stone, which do not see nor hear nor know:
But the God in whose hand is your breath and to whom all your ways belong you have not honored. "
The writing on the wall by an angelic hand spelled doom and collapse for the unrighteous kingdom of Babylon to Belshazzar, with the mysterious writing -
"MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN"
Which Daniel interprets.
"This is the interpretation of the matter:
MENE - God has numbered your kingdom and brought it to an end;
TEKEL - You have been weighed in the scales and found to be lacking.
PERES - Your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and Persians."
(Dan. 5:26-28)
I will have to study further to see why there is a difference in verse 25 and verse 28. As of the moment, I don't know.
Originally posted by FMFIn other words you are saying that no one can see that I often refer readers to writings of Witness Lee ?
Why don't you just tell everybody what "Witness" Lee says about it?
In other words you are saying that I do not want to teach about Jesus Christ but only desire to promote Witness Lee ?
Originally posted by sonshipNo, I am saying that if you don't know "why there is a difference in verse 25 and verse 28", perhaps you could provide a link to where "Witness" Lee explains it, or if you feel you need to, you could type it out in your own words here having looked up "Witness" Lee's explanation.
In other words you are saying that no one can see that I often refer readers to writings of Witness Lee ?
In other words you are saying that I do not want to teach about Jesus Christ but only desire to promote Witness Lee ?
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Originally posted by FMFI know how to proceed, how much to proceed, where I can obtain an explanation, and if or if not I want to even mention it.
No, I am saying that if you don't know "why there is a difference in verse 25 and verse 28", perhaps you could provide a link to where "Witness" Lee explains it, or if you feel you need to, you could type it out in your own words here having looked up "Witness" Lee's explanation.
Nothing stops you from going off to your own research on the matter. If you're interested, there are plenty of tools on the Internet to explore the issue. You could contribute your own research.
Would you like me to provide a link for you ?
You're saying that you are now interested in the book of Daniel ?
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Originally posted by sonshipIf I'd had the chance to ask "Witness" Lee on this matter, I would have asked him about his own personal point of view on human government and whether it was as profoundly misanthropic and as utterly contemptuous of his fellow humans as the one you laid out on page 1 of this thread.
Would you like me to provide a link for you ?
You're saying that you are now interested in the book of Daniel ?
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Originally posted by FMFFirst I usually say "the Bible said this" if you haven't noticed over the years.
Why don't you just tell everybody what "Witness" Lee says about it?
I count the Bible as the infallible word of God.
I do not count my or anyone else's exposition on the Bible as infallible.
I know of few teachers worthwhile, who would ever insist that their treatment of a passage was an infallible interpretation.
Some teachers are better than others.
I like Witness Lee because he ministered spiritual life and not just doctrinal knowledge.
And I like Brothers Lee and Nee because through their ministry thousands of models of communities actually experiencing richly the Christ they taught about confirm the healthy teaching they conveyed.
In other words their ministry was not just rocking chair speculation but produced working models of local churches where men and women, boys and girls are enjoying the rich experiences of Jesus Christ that they lived and ministered to the world.
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-Removed-1.) I could easily converse with you for a week and never quote anything except the Bible and use my own words to instruct you.
2.) There is no need to "suspect" that I derive much help from the work and lives of others.
I have repeatedly and plainly informed readers of that.
It is noted that instead of better teachings you offer nothing basically but whining about me having very useful shepherds and teachers who helped me get into the deeper revelation of the Bible.
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Originally posted by FMF
If I'd had the chance to ask "Witness" Lee on this matter, I would have asked him about his own personal point of view on human government and whether it was as profoundly misanthropic and as utterly contemptuous of his fellow humans as the one you laid out on page 1 of this thread.
If I'd had the chance to ask "Witness" Lee on this matter, I would have asked him about his own personal point of view on human government and whether it was as profoundly misanthropic and as utterly contemptuous of his fellow humans as the one you laid out on page 1 of this thread.
There is a search engine at www.ministryboks.org.
You could go to that website, and easily access the online database of publications by Witness Lee and simply search on the word "government".
In all those hundreds of books you would get all the sentences which contain the word "government" to see what he said.
Why don't you do that?
Or come up with your handy dandy excuse now why you would rather not.
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-Removed-I wrote a thread on Prayreading .
Do you know what that thread was about? It was about the utter benefit of people to PRAY over the WORDS of the Bible for maximum spiritual nourishment.
No, Mr. whiner, I didn't write that thread and say " Now just go and read this or that ministry book".
No whiner, I labored for post after post to help people realize that if they simply PRAY with the words of the Bible, mixing their reading with their praying and their praying with their reading, they would greatly be directly blessed in the Holy Spirit with much spiritual nourishment and much spiritual light.
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-Removed-Every one who is saved is with me in my church.
There is only one universal church.
In pulpits usually people politely give the speaker the floor.
This forum, as everybody can see, quite nicely accomodates hecklers, debaters, scrutinizers, people who can just change the subject, contrarians, mockers, trolls, whiners, comedians.
Far from a "pulpit" this is like speaking on the street corner. Nobody has to sit passively in a pew and not voice their own little message.
Maybe you didn't notice that ??