@vivify saidSure, in such a time period people were regularly married through arrangement, and, likewise, maidservants occasionally also functioned as concubines.
It's already been covered on this forum that God allowed slave owners to beat their slaves nearly to death, so long as the slave can get up a few days later (Exodus 21:20-21).
It follows logically that God was okay with forcing females slaves to have sex, since in that very passage I quoted, the Bible refers to slaves as "property".
Also, there are Biblical texts wer ...[text shortened]... th my slave." (ERV)[/i]
"she took her slave Zilpah and gave her to Jacob" (GW Translation)
But...
Although God provided rights and protections for concubines in the Law of Moses, God did not introduce or approve of this marital model. The Hebrew word for concubine, Piylegesh, isn’t even of Hebrew origin. It’s “a non-Semitic loanword borrowed to refer to a phenomenon not indigenous to Israel,” according to Baker’s Dictionary of Biblical Theology.
David L. Baker, theologian and seminary professor, said this:
“In the ancient Near East, it was acceptable for a married man to have a secondary wife or concubine, so long as he had the resources to support a large family. Apart from working in the home and providing sexual companionship, a major role for a concubine would be to produce children, to increase the work force in a household.
"Polygamy and concubinage were also allowed in ancient Israel and seem to be have been quite common in the patriarchal period (age of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), but after that most marriages of commoners were monogamous.”
Further, it is clarified that...
“A perennial problem in war is rape, but this was forbidden in Israel. If a soldier was attracted to a woman, he had to marry her, but he could do so only after she had lived with him in a state of humiliation and mourning for a month (Deuteronomy 21:12-12). If he changed his mind after they were married, she had to be granted her freedom.
“Her dignity had to be guarded, and she could not be treated like a slave. The fact that female prisoners of war could be taken as wives by the Israelites does not sanction the practice so much as regulate and transform an existing evil.”
https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/what-is-a-concubine-why-did-god-allow-men-to-take-concubines-in-the-bible.html
Further information specifically pertinent to the servants here:
A concubine was a female slave responsible mainly as a surrogate mother to secure the continuance of the family name. At this time in ancient history, infertility carried great shame for women. It was common practice for a barren wife to provide a concubine to guarantee children to her husband. A concubine such as Bilhah was treated as a member of the family and a legitimate channel for hereditary succession and inheritance.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Bilhah-in-the-Bible.html
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@rajk999 saidI haven't gotten around to some things yet.
Take a hike sonship. Did you point out that these women were married to Jacob and Abraham? No? Why?
You called vivify a "moronic half breed."
Why was calling the vivify a moronic half breed necessary to help him understand the Bible?
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The ordained will of God for man period was one wife for one husband.
From the creation of man monogamy was God's perfect will for marriage.
"Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." (Gen. 2:24)
He didn't say he shall be joined to his WIVES [plural].
God had to make provision for the habits of fallen man to regulate.
Jacob had four wives. They were not sex slaves.
I would point the love of his life was Rachal. And Laban cheated Jacob and tricked him into marrying Leah her sister instead. Then Jacob worked another seven years for Rachel who he THOUGHT was being given to him.
But when Jacob died, who did he have himself buried with Rachel or Leah?
In the cave at Machpelah Jacob arranged for him to be with Leah in burial.
This indicates that by God's sovereignty he accepted that the less loved Leah rather than Rachel was his real wife according to God's original ordination.
"And he [Jacob] charged them and said to them, I am being gathered to my people, Bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite. In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought for the possession of a burial place -
There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife,
there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife,
and there I buried Leah - " (Gen. 49:29-31)
@sonship saidWhy dont you just shut up. Who asked all that?
The ordained will of God for man period was one wife for one husband.
From the creation of man monogamy was God's perfect will for marriage.
"Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." (Gen. 2:24)
He didn't say he shall be joined to his WIVES [plural].
God had to make provisi ...[text shortened]... fe,
there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife,
and there I buried Leah - " (Gen. 49:29-31) [/b]
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@suzianne saidFrom a professed lesbian Christian, yeah ... your opinion really matters to me. What Christian church do you attend. You they had anything to do with the bad reputation of Christians?
You are the one Christian in these forums contributing in the main to the bad reputation of Christians held by most posters on this website.
@rajk999 saidHere we go again.
From a professed lesbian Christian, yeah ... your opinion really matters to me. What Christian church do you attend. You they had anything to do with the bad reputation of Christians?
You know I don't recall Jesus advocating lying about other followers of his.
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@vivify saidYou are continuing on with the lies and pretending not to understand. The issue is using slaves for sex .They were servants. Then they became WIVES. THEN THEY HAD SEX. There was NO SEX WITH SLAVES. THE SEX WAS WITH WIVES.
What are talking about? The bible *does* say they servants or slaves. Check the OP.
So your entire post is just a concoction of lies and misinformation designed to appease some problem you have with your own slave master past.
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You have to be the most naive and stupid Christian I ever came across. Nobody here is interested in understanding the bible.
I didn't say vivify was interested or not.
But you were trying to help vivify understand the Bible. Were you not?
So in the process of doing so you became worse in your name calling.
You would do well to spend some time consecrating your tongue to the Lord.
The wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God.
Where did you get that impression?
That is the "impression" you seek me to have.
WHETHER VIVIFY WANTS TO UNDERSTAND OR NOT I would try to help this one to understand.
Since you judge the person doesn't come up to your standard of wanting to understand then you call them a "moronic half breed"?
Do you think that will somehow foster more interest in vivify to want to understand the word of God? It will be understood that not much of an example of a teacher of it is with Rajk999.
"A slave of the Lord must not contend but be gentle towards all apt to teach, bearing with wrong, in meekness correcting those who oppose if perhaps God may grant them repentance unto the full knowledge of the truth." (1 Tim. 2:24)
Apt to teach is not the same thing as apt to call names in rage - like "you moronic half breed".
Yes, I have lost my temper at times. Repentance is healthy.
You fight me on this to your own detriment. Take it to God in confession and see then the need for what I have been saying to you which you scorned, we have to abide in Christ and allow Him to flow out.
Why is "half breed" edifying? You wish to shame the poster with a racist attitude?
The fleshy wisdom from below is demonic. Its in one of your favorite books - James.
Go learn before God in prayer what it means, since you want to follow the commandments of Jesus.
"But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not boast and lie against the truth.
This wisdom is not that which descends from above, but is earthly, soulish, demonic, For where jealousy and selfish ambition are, there is disorder and every worthless practice."
Did you see that Rajk999? "WORTHLESS practice" like a so-called Christian teacher calling a potential seeker (possibly) a "moronic half breed".
Worthless disorder. Worthless fleshy, soulish outburst of anger "for Jesus".
You should be ashamed.
"But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, forbearing, compliant, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial, without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace." (James 3:14-18)
But you act like a vintage KKK devote, calling vivify a "moronic half breed" in a hope to win such a one over to the Christian faith ? ? ?
Rajk999, here's where we learn in things like this that the blood of Jesus Christ God's Son cleanses us from every sin. So we confess, apologize (though it may be rejected or insisted that no apology is wanted or needed). But you did your part to be at peace with all men. And you go on. The matter is done, under the blood of Jesus.
It is stuff like this that reduces your SELF confidence and increases your realization that you need the Spirit of Christ every moment.
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Cant you tell from their post of lies and misinformation that they are just out to condemn Christians? You are such a fool. This vivify idiot was following me around all over the forums in the last few weeks, trying to insult me, because I did not agree with her statement about the bible and slavery. She is a complete jacka$$. Next time Im talking to someone you just BTFO.
Rajk999, I post and I then go to my knees and pray.
It helps.
I was obnoxious too when deceived and lost.
You have to remember just a little bit what YOU were like.
You have to recall the feeling you had when wanting to rid your life of Christ and the word of God. I looked for reasons to reject the Lord too.
Sometimes you have to re-call what it was like for yourself to be in that state.
Now I go to spend some time on James chapter three about bridling the tongue. You know the tongue, he says, is hardest to tame. Is your tongue tamed?
"So also the tongue is a little member yet boasts of great things, Behold, how great a forest so little a fire ignites! And the tongue is a fire; the very world of unrighteousness, the tongue is set among our members as that which contaminates the whole body and sets on fire the course of life and is set on fire by Gehenna.
For every nature, both of beasts and of birds, both of reptiles and of creatures of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by the human nature; But the tongue no one among men is able to tame; it is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.
With it we bless the Lord and Father and with it we curse men, who have been made according to the likeness of God. Out of the same mouth come forth blessing and cursing. These things, my brothers ought not be so."
Right Rajk999? This is your "faith without works is dead " book. You should be in agreement with James.
You accuse me of only making "mouth worship". If you used YOUR mouth for worship more I think you would be more sensitive to when the Devil takes over your tongue and mouth to call someone "moronic half breed" supposedly as an aid to lead them to enlightenment about the Scriptures.
Your "faith without works is dead" teacher goes on-
"Does the spring, out of the same opening, gush forth the sweet and the bitter? " (see James 3:11,12)
Your loss of temper and wicked name calling is the dead fly in the ointment.