@mike69 saidI assumed it was off topic. Is horizontal structure more "inclusive and accepting" of other worldviews? One case is over whether protections are needed or not, for a whole group or an individual. The cross and the church's responses can have diversity here. Not all need to be the Greek sign.
Doubt YouTube would allow it to be shared if that were the case.
@Of-Ants-and-Imps saidNo, just a low integrity mod that doesn’t see the attack by an opinion article post by sensitive sue. I put a calm respectful debate between four people which is what the forums are supposed to be about….
I assumed it was off topic. Is horizontal structure more "inclusive and accepting" of other worldviews? One case is over whether protections are needed or not, for a whole group or an individual. The cross and the church's responses can have diversity here. Not all need to be the Greek sign.
@mike69 saidIT WAS AN ATTACK AGAINST ME AND MY CHURCH, AS YOU DO CONSTANTLY.
No, just a low integrity mod that doesn’t see the attack by an opinion article post by sensitive sue. I put a calm respectful debate between four people which is what the forums are supposed to be about….
I've asked you to stop and you refuse.
Every post like this WILL get alerted.
You can stop the attacks or get used to it.
And stop the gaslighting.
In proper view, these negative experiences with fundamentalism need listened to and tackled head on. I crawled out of my fundamentalist bubble awhile ago and at one time I've had loud disruptions but I don't harbor the past sentiment now. I hadn't lived deep in the Bible belt, maybe it's different, and I don't understand those who trace their abuse back decades ago to getting the belt or spanked. Ok, that caused the whole chain of trust to be crushed asunder. Trust isn't even the highest of fundamentals. You can obey without trusting. So I'm not saying mistakes aren't made, I'm just saying your perspective of what's important may change.
@Suzianne
The problem with vertical morality is that if you think God told you take your son out in to the desert and slit his throat, you have to put what you know to be wrong in abeyance and just do it, because you fear God's wrath. We know it is wrong to murder your son (or anybody else, for that matter), whatever God says.
"Oh, but God would never tell you to do something wrong," is no answer, if one accepts the definition of vertical morality, that whatever God says must be right.
But we do know that taking one's son out into the desert and slitting his throat is wrong, whatever God says.
"Oh, but God later told him to stay his hand," is no answer. If God tells you to go to war against Iraq, even though you know Saddam has no WMD, it is pointless to say, 'well, maybe He'll stay my hand later--He's just testing me by tempting me to do something He and I both know is wrong', because you can apply that same logic to everything you do, and you're no better off than just doing what you know is right, regardless what God says.
People who think whatever God says must be right have to ask themselves, at some point, why they should believe one particular pastor's version of what God allegedly said, because we have very good reasons to think that anyone who says he has a hot-line to the Almighty is either insane or wishes to control us.