We Don't Know versus The Burden of Proof

@kellyjay said
No one knows, we must go with what is the most reasonable explanation

Why "must we go with" what your imagination thinks is "the most reasonable explanation"?

@fmf said
Why "must we go with" what your imagination thinks is "the most reasonable explanation"?

You can go where ever you want, you like the most unreasonable explanation, you
prefer sticking your head somewhere so you don't have to think about it, do what
you will.

@kellyjay said
You can go where ever you want, you like the most unreasonable explanation, you
prefer sticking your head somewhere so you don't have to think about it, do what
you will.

Why do you keep saying I feel I "don't have to think about it"? You keep asserting things like this, and your "argument" seems to rely heavily on it, but it is a falsehood and you are being disingenuous, but to what end?

You concede that nobody knows, and then you tout / speculate about what you personally /subjectively feel is the most "reasonable explanation", but how can you possibly believe that such a faith-based internal process in your own mind creates moral imperatives and hazards - and the risk of morally depraved divine revenge - for the people around you?

@kellyjay said
You like the most unreasonable explanation.

What "most unreasonable explanation" is that, then, KellyJay?

When you type stuff like this, do you not feel any compunction to converse in good faith and without all these strawmen?

@fmf said
Who has said they don't care or that human knowledge about the universe is "unimportant"?

You should read the small number of posts in this thread. If it isn't important, the
answers don't matter, let others worry about it. When it matters, it matters.

@fmf said
What "most unreasonable explanation" is that, then, KellyJay?

When you type stuff like this, do you not feel any compunction to converse in good faith and without all these strawmen?

I brought a binary choice, mindlessness or a mindfulness, if you have something
else to add to the choices let's hear it.

@kellyjay said
I brought a binary choice, mindlessness or a mindfulness, if you have something
else to add to the choices let's hear it.

None of us know what the origin of the universe and human consciousness is. Your reference to a "mind" suggests you are anthropomorphizing a possible creator entity [one you have conceded is unknowable] - which is of course your prerogative. Your "binary choice" is a thetorical gimmick that seeks to sweep aside the fact that none of us know what the origin of the universe and human consciousness is.

@kellyjay said
You should read the small number of posts in this thread. If it isn't important, the
answers don't matter, let others worry about it. When it matters, it matters.

Don't dodge the question. You are being called out for employing deceitful strawmen in order to pretend to converse. Who has said they don't care or that human knowledge about the universe is "unimportant"?

@kellyjay said
let others worry about it. When it matters, it matters.

No matter how much you "worry about it", you will always only be parading your conjecture and aspirations.

@fmf said
No one knows how the universe ~ and things like human consciousness ~ originated. Do we have an obligation to propose, and defend, a theory that competes with, or even replaces, the theories of others?" Fritz Mungo Fanshaw [1998]

Thoughts?

Imagining something supernatural that appeals to one's imagination and "makes sense" does not create any onus on anyone to trump it. Nor can it create any moral jeopardy for others.

@fmf said
None of us know what the origin of the universe and human consciousness is. Your reference to a "mind" suggests you are anthropomorphizing a possible creator entity [one you have conceded is unknowable] - which is of course your prerogative. Your "binary choice" is a thetorical gimmick that seeks to sweep aside the fact that none of us know what the origin of the universe and human consciousness is.

It isn't a gimmick it is looking for the best possible answer among competing
hypotheses, its logic, you should try it.

@fmf said
Imagining something supernatural that appeals to one's imagination and "makes sense" does not create any onus on anyone to trump it. Nor can it create any moral jeopardy for others.

Thanks for your opinion.

@fmf said
Don't dodge the question. You are being called out for employing deceitful strawmen in order to pretend to converse. Who has said they don't care or that human knowledge about the universe is "unimportant"?

Yawn, thank you for your opinionated insight.

@kellyjay said
It isn't a gimmick it is looking for the best possible answer among competing
hypotheses, its logic, you should try it.

But there's nothing objective about what you just so happen to feel is the "best possible answer".