16 Sep 22
@karoly-aczel saidFurther to what moonbus said, whether to spit or swallow panspermia is an option, not an obligation.
Directed panspermia ?
@fmf saidNo one knows, we must go with what is the most reasonable explanation, or
No one knows how the universe ~ and things like human consciousness ~ originated. Do we have an obligation to propose, and defend, a theory that competes with, or even replaces, the theories of others?" Fritz Mungo Fanshaw [1998]
Thoughts?
stick our heads in the sand and attempt to ignore the questions altogether. What
makes more sense for a mindless explanation that involves dead dirt to first show
up without any cause out of nothing or some cause?
Is it reasonable that a mindless explanation that involves processes without goals,
plans, or any ability to recognize success or failure, alter the physical world's matter
so it comes together through unguided chemical reactions and suddenly gives rise
to not just biology, but consciousness, thought, reasoning, love, morals, and things
of that nature that are immaterial we know are here in the physical world.
If mindlessness isn't up to the task, that leaves a mind, a plan, a purpose, for
all things from the smallest what we would consider the most meaningless
to the big things we acknowledge. Thus making everything and everyone here
is here due to a purpose with meaning that transcends the world itself.
16 Sep 22
@kellyjay saidAdmitting we do not know is not "sticking our hands in the sand".
No one knows, we must go with what is the most reasonable explanation, or
stick our heads in the sand and attempt to ignore the questions altogether.
Admitting we do not know is not "ignoring the questions altogether".
@kellyjay saidLook at the development of Quantum Mechanics. Trying to find a 'reasonable' explanation for what was going on got scientists nowhere.
No one knows, we must go with what is the most reasonable explanation, or
stick our heads in the sand and attempt to ignore the questions altogether. What
makes more sense for a mindless explanation that involves dead dirt to first show
up without any cause out of nothing or some cause?
Is it reasonable that a mindless explanation that involves processes without goals ...[text shortened]... verything and everyone here
is here due to a purpose with meaning that transcends the world itself.
What did work was throwing preconceptions out the window, carefully gathering new evidence, and continually modifying theory to match experiment.
The Universe doesn't care if we find its behavior to be 'reasonable' or not.
@bigdogg saidThe universe isn’t alive with thoughts and agendas that doesn’t mean what caused the universe isn’t both alive and does care!
Look at the development of Quantum Mechanics. Trying to find a 'reasonable' explanation for what was going on got scientists nowhere.
What did work was throwing preconceptions out the window, carefully gathering new evidence, and continually modifying theory to match experiment.
The Universe doesn't care if we find its behavior to be 'reasonable' or not.
16 Sep 22
@fmf saidI don't think we have an obligation to propose or defend a theory that competes with, or even replaces, the theories of others. Most of us have lives to lead, and work to do. I'll leave the proposing of theories to the scientific community.
No one knows how the universe ~ and things like human consciousness ~ originated. Do we have an obligation to propose, and defend, a theory that competes with, or even replaces, the theories of others?" Fritz Mungo Fanshaw [1998]
Thoughts?