We Don't Know versus The Burden of Proof

@fmf said
a.k.a. speculation

And, lest we forget, you place one "best possible answer", according to you, upon another "best possible answer", according to you, over and over again, until you have [1] everlasting life as a consequence of your religious beliefs and [2] eternal torture as a consequence of a lack of [or rejection of] your religious beliefs. Thank you for "looking for best possible answer" and trying to "understand an event".

When I say the best possible answer I'm saying the best possible answer, you are
the one inserting my name as if I'm saying the best possible answer according to
me, which is twisting what I'm saying. If you can come up with an answer that
handles all of the variables better than any other then yours would be the best
possible answer. I gave two choices and asked for another if what I asked wasn't
taking in all of the possible variables, between the two, one is better than the
other, if you disagree with that, make your case.

You bring up other things that have absolutely nothing to do with mindlessness
or mind, which is everlasting life, religious beliefs, torture as a consequence, blaa,
blaa, blaa. If you ever limited your responses to just the things under discussion
it would be a minor miracle, in my opinion, that you don't discuss points you go
after what you think makes up someone's whole life with each of your responses.

@indonesia-phil said
What I 'think is true' is that which can be ascertained by scientific method, such as carbon - dating to ascertain age, analysis of DNA and so on. If you have counter evidence to present then let us have it, although it is clear that evidence means nothing to you. I 'consider' talking snakes, a cornerstone of your believed mythology, to be a falsehood, since nobody has ...[text shortened]... thing, it asked you a simple question, which in your time - honoured way you have avoided answering.

You are the only one I know fixated on talking snakes.

Before carbon dating becomes an issue, the formation of carbon is a question that
is being avoided by you. I don't care how old the earth or the universe is, I don't
know how old it is it doesn't matter. What does matter is evidence, and what is it
you think you have?

Seriously, age doesn't matter, a large amount of time doesn't solve anything, timing
of the required events matters, not how long it may be required to get something
right. If it cannot occur, having more time will not help you. Even if evolutionary
the theory is factual not just a theory, you are still left with the process question
was it brought about by mindlessness or a mind?

Show me the scientific method that promotes mindlessness over mind with respect
to the processes involved in starting, and maintaining life. What mechanisms are
you going to point to that show mindlessness?

@kellyjay said
When I say the best possible answer I'm saying the best possible answer, you are
the one inserting my name as if I'm saying the best possible answer according to
me, which is twisting what I'm saying. If you can come up with an answer that
handles all of the variables better than any other then yours would be the best
possible answer. I gave two choices and asked for ano ...[text shortened]... scuss points you go
after what you think makes up someone's whole life with each of your responses.

What status do you think whatever you happen to feel is "the best possible answer" has for those around you?

@kellyjay said
You bring up other things that have absolutely nothing to do with mindlessness
or mind, which is everlasting life, religious beliefs, torture as a consequence, blaa,
blaa, blaa.

But they are ALSO things you think are "the best possible answer" according to you, so they ARE totally relevant. They are the very reason why you are riffing about a "binary question".

@kellyjay said
I gave two choices and asked for another if what I asked wasn't
taking in all of the possible variables, between the two, one is better than the
other, if you disagree with that, make your case.

Why must I "make a case"? Have you not read the OP or any of my OP-related posts thereafter?

And why must it be kept separate from everything else you base on your strictly anthropomorphized-God-figure-only speculation about the origins of the universe?

I have already said that there might be some kind of creator entity. I keep saying it. You keep ignoring it. You keep pretty much ignoring all my attempts to engage what you are saying.

@kellyjay said
If you ever limited your responses to just the things under discussion
it would be a minor miracle, in my opinion.

Take a look at the thread's OP. THAT is what is under discussion.

@fmf said
[1] everlasting life as a consequence of your religious beliefs and [2] eternal torture as a consequence of a lack of [or rejection of] your religious beliefs.

If your conjecture about the origin of the universe is NOT related to [1] and [2] above, then what IS the purpose of your conjecture?

@fmf said
What status do you think whatever you happen to feel is "the best possible answer" has for those around you?

what are you asking?

@kellyjay said
what are you asking?

I am asking you the exact question that you are responding to.

@fmf said
If your conjecture about the origin of the universe is NOT related to [1] and [2] above, then what IS the purpose of your conjecture?

My conjecture here is that the universe has but two possible modes of the beginning,
with mindlessness, or a mind. That is the long and short of my query, and you are
bound and determined to turn it into something else, I guess that is your form of
running away, don't stay on topic, talk about something else, change the subject.

@kellyjay said
My conjecture here is that the universe has but two possible modes of the beginning,
with mindlessness, or a mind.

So your personal opinion about "the best possible answer" is not something you need in order have a basis for your religious beliefs? Is that your stance?

I have already said that there might be some kind of creator entity. I keep saying it. You keep ignoring it. 

@kellyjay said
I guess that is your form of
running away, don't stay on topic, talk about something else, change the subject.

I am not running away. And I'm not changing the subject. Look at the OP again.

@kellyjay said
When I say the best possible answer I'm saying the best possible answer, you are
the one inserting my name as if I'm saying the best possible answer according to
me

Of COURSE your personal opinion about "the best possible answer" is "the best possible answer" "according to" you. Don't be so silly. What status do you think whatever you happen to feel is "the best possible answer" has for those around you? Why do you believe it places any onus on anyone?

@fmf said
Of COURSE your personal opinion about "the best possible answer" is "the best possible answer" "according to" you. Don't be so silly. What status do you think whatever you happen to feel is "the best possible answer" has for those around you? Why do you believe it places any onus on anyone?

You can put your head in the sand, I said that right off the bat, you don't care
enough about the beginning ignore it and talk about what motivates other posters.

@fmf said
I am not running away. And I'm not changing the subject. Look at the OP again.

So when I am talking about mindlessness and mind, and you interject all of the
other things you said even implying my motivation was simply to say it is all about
me and what I thought that isn't changing the subject?