1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    19 Feb '17 10:47
    If the only thing I know is that I know nothing, do I know something?
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    19 Feb '17 11:57
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    If the only thing I know is that I know nothing, do I know something?
    Is it is universal nothing, or a relative nothing?
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    19 Feb '17 12:47
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Is it is universal nothing, or a relative nothing?
    You are finally catching on. 😏
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    19 Feb '17 13:331 edit
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    If the only thing I know is that I know nothing, do I know something?
    You cannot know that you know nothing. You can think you know nothing, but that is not knowledge, that is belief. (false belief. Knowledge is true belief).
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    19 Feb '17 17:54
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    If the only thing I know is that I know nothing, do I know something?
    Yes. One thing. You know you know nothing.

    Question is though, does knowing nothing constitute knowing something?

    No, it doesn't. Knowing nothing means you're dead.
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    19 Feb '17 17:59
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    You cannot know that you know nothing. You can think you know nothing, but that is not knowledge, that is belief. (false belief. Knowledge is true belief).
    Knowledge is information. Belief is a judgment based on knowledge. Knowledge plus experience equals wisdom.

    Wisdom dispels false knowledge.
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    19 Feb '17 18:04
    Originally posted by josephw
    Knowledge is information.
    That depends on context. The word can either simply mean 'information' or it can refer to the state of knowing something (holding a true belief).

    Belief is a judgment based on knowledge.
    Er, not in any dictionary I've ever seen. Do you have any references?

    Knowledge plus experience equals wisdom.

    Wisdom dispels false knowledge.

    But you clearly have not dispelled false knowledge. So did you clack experience or knowledge?
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    19 Feb '17 18:56
    Originally posted by josephw
    Knowledge is information. Belief is a judgment based on knowledge. Knowledge plus experience equals wisdom.

    Wisdom dispels false knowledge.
    Not necessarily. The wisest, most knowledgeable ancient men believed the sun revolved around the earth.
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    19 Feb '17 19:03
    Originally posted by vivify
    Not necessarily. The wisest, most knowledgeable ancient men believed the sun revolved around the earth.
    Which should call into question what we think we know is true.
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    19 Feb '17 19:05
    Originally posted by josephw
    Knowledge is information. Belief is a judgment based on knowledge. Knowledge plus experience equals wisdom.

    Wisdom dispels false knowledge.
    I agree that belief in general is a judgement based on knowledge, but don't think this is the case for 'religious belief'.

    Religious belief is a judgement based on faith, not knowledge. Indeed, on occasions, religious belief is a judgement that goes against knowledge.

    True story.
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    19 Feb '17 20:54
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    That depends on context. The word can either simply mean 'information' or it can refer to the state of knowing something (holding a true belief).

    [b]Belief is a judgment based on knowledge.

    Er, not in any dictionary I've ever seen. Do you have any references?

    Knowledge plus experience equals wisdom.

    Wisdom dispels false knowledge.

    But you clearly have not dispelled false knowledge. So did you clack experience or knowledge?[/b]
    "So did you clack experience or knowledge?"

    I do quite a bit of clacking. 😉

    I know, therefore I believe. What I know plus experience gives me the wisdom to know the difference between what is true or false.

    Or something like that. But I don't know everything, nor do I have all experience, so I can't claim to be infallible.

    Only God is infallible, and knowing that means I can be honest with myself. Ergo I need God.
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    19 Feb '17 21:00
    Originally posted by vivify
    Not necessarily. The wisest, most knowledgeable ancient men believed the sun revolved around the earth.
    That's what they tell me, but I'm not so sure that's true. What if it is true?

    Just maybe, considering the universe is expanding, the earth is the center of the universe. For all we know the earth is stationary, and it only appears to be moving because everything else is moving around it.

    Weird eh? 😉
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    19 Feb '17 21:13
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    I agree that belief in general is a judgement based on knowledge, but don't think this is the case for 'religious belief'.

    Religious belief is a judgement based on faith, not knowledge. Indeed, on occasions, religious belief is a judgement that goes against knowledge.

    True story.
    "Religious belief is a judgement based on faith, not knowledge."

    You and I have a different definition of what religion is. The reason why is because I know the difference between religion and faith.

    What's more is I know what faith is.

    My faith is based in knowledge, not in "oh gee, I sure hope it's true that Jesus rose from the grave so that I can live forever too".

    Faith has nothing to do with wishing and hoping. Faith comes from hearing and believing the truth. Faith is based on pure unadulterated knowledge of the truth.
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    19 Feb '17 21:20
    Originally posted by josephw
    Faith comes from hearing and believing the truth. Faith is based on pure unadulterated knowledge of the truth.
    What "pure unadulterated knowledge of the truth" do you think Islamic or Hindu faith are based on?
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    20 Feb '17 10:31
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    If the only thing I know is that I know nothing, do I know something?
    So that's a known unknown?
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