28 Sep 10
Originally posted by tacoandlettuceThe Holy Quran : Chapter 41: Ha Mim Al-Sajdah
Punishment of ANY SORT is in direct reason that ignorance (the sins on earth) is still known..
I know that it is the woman in travail's (woe to that man~ woe man) responsibility to rectify all of it and make the Law honorable, as even Christ said that to enter into the kingdom of Heaven one must become a child again, which is what she is baring fo ...[text shortened]... shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
[41:16] As for ‘Ad, they behaved arrogantly in the earth without any justification and said, ‘Who is mightier than we in power?’ Do they not see that Allah, Who created them, is mightier than they in power? Still they continued to deny Our Signs.
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28 Sep 10
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Originally posted by AgergThere in ALL ACTUALITY is no power apart FROM God...
[b]The Holy Quran : Chapter 41: Ha Mim Al-Sajdah
[41:16] As for ‘Ad, they behaved arrogantly in the earth without any justification and said, ‘Who is mightier than we in power?’ Do they not see that Allah, Who created them, is mightier than they in power? Still they continued to deny Our Signs.
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What's "considered" power, even that of satan, is utter weakness in the INFINITE SCALE of things, and satan is only due to there being sin on earth, which in return judgement would follow, HOWEVER
if all were swallowed up " 1 Corinthians 15:53-56 (King James Version) 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. ", then hell (that which is ~all that ever could be bound~ in Heaven) will NOT exist, therefore ALL SOULS ~free~ which IS The GREAT AWAKENING! =]
28 Sep 10
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Originally posted by tacoandlettuceThe Holy Quran : Chapter 9: Al-Taubah
There in ALL ACTUALITY is no power apart FROM God...
What's "considered" power, even that of satan, is utter weakness in the INFINITE SCALE of things, and satan is only due to there being sin on earth, which in return judgement would follow, HOWEVER
if all were swallowed up " 1 Corinthians 15:53-56 (King James Version) 53For this corruptibl nd~ in Heaven) will NOT exist, therefore ALL SOULS ~free~ which IS The GREAT AWAKENING! =]
[9:5] And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[9:6] And if anyone of the idolaters ask protection of thee, grant him protection so that he may hear the word of Allah; then convey him to his place of security. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge.
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28 Sep 10
Originally posted by AgergThe LORD reBUKE thee O satan!
[b]The Holy Quran : Chapter 9: Al-Taubah
[9:5] And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful. ...[text shortened]... him to his place of security. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge.
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28 Sep 10
Originally posted by tacoandlettuceYes the arguing and attacking should not be here but it is sad to say it is. It's a fact that ones beliefs can be very emotional and it can lead to terrible actions as past history of our earth has more then enough proof of.
Yo, it is quite CLEAR to me by reading many of these threads there are alot in here who like to chew on others..
Why would one find some satisfaction to belittle another?
These threads in my eyes and I believe in many as well are to express our views of our conditioned belief influences that have molded our lives..
How is any browbeating another accomplishing one iota of GAIN OF UNDERSTANDING? yes?
And it's not just the disaggrement in beliefs but sometimes it's the exposing of ones beliefs that is not easily taken or even acceptable.
But if we all would listen on others comments then we learn what their saying which would help us all to find the truth. I think we all would like to have all the answers and sometimes by listening we might find them.
28 Sep 10
Originally posted by galveston75beautifully put yo!
Yes the arguing and attacking should not be here but it is sad to say it is. It's a fact that ones beliefs can be very emotional and it can lead to terrible actions as past history of our earth has more then enough proof of.
And it's not just the disaggrement in beliefs but sometimes it's the exposing of ones beliefs that is not easily taken or even ac ...[text shortened]... hink we all would like to have all the answers and sometimes by listening we might find them.
28 Sep 10
Originally posted by galveston75But if we all would listen on others comments then we learn what their saying which would help us all to find the truth. I think we all would like to have all the answers and sometimes by listening we might find them.
Yes the arguing and attacking should not be here but it is sad to say it is. It's a fact that ones beliefs can be very emotional and it can lead to terrible actions as past history of our earth has more then enough proof of.
And it's not just the disaggrement in beliefs but sometimes it's the exposing of ones beliefs that is not easily taken or even ac ...[text shortened]... hink we all would like to have all the answers and sometimes by listening we might find them.
Sorry, but have to doubt the sincerity of this. Based on what's been posted on these forums, it seems that JWs are amongst the least to actually listen to what others are saying since their beliefs are so firmly entrenched in dogma.
28 Sep 10
Originally posted by AgergIsaiah 57:15 (King James Version)
[6:18] And if Allah touch thee with affliction, there is none that can remove it but He; and if He touch thee with happiness, then He has power to do all that He wills.
15For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
Definition of INHABIT
transitive verb
1
: to occupy as a place of settled residence or habitat : live in <inhabit a house>
This is CLEARLY satan (the dragon) and his VANITY of himself, for God would not say he inhabiteth HIMSELF yo!
THIS is what shall BE swallowed up UNTO victory! Amen, Argerg =]
29 Sep 10
Originally posted by tacoandlettuce[4:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
Isaiah 57:15 (King James Version)
15For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
Definition of INHABIT
transitive verb
1
: to occ ...[text shortened]... he inhabiteth HIMSELF yo!
THIS is what shall BE swallowed up UNTO victory! Amen, Argerg =]
[4:2] O ye people! fear your Lord, Who created you from a single soul and created therefrom its mate, and from them twain spread many men and women; and fear Allah, in Whose name you appeal to one another, and fear Him particularly respecting ties of relationship. Verily, Allah watches over you.
[4:3] And give to the orphans their property and exchange not the bad for the good, and devour not their property with your own. Surely, it is a great sin.
[4:4] And if you fear that you will not be fair in dealing with the orphans, then marry of women as may be agreeable to you, two, or three, or four; and if you fear you will not deal justly, then marry only one or what your right hands possess. That is the nearest way for you to avoid injustice.
[4:5] And give the women their dowries willingly. But if they, of their own pleasure, remit to you a part thereof, then enjoy it as something pleasant and wholesome.
[4:6] And give not to the foolish your property which Allah has made for you a means of support; but feed them therewith and clothe them and speak to them words of kind advice.
[4:7] And prove the orphans until they attain the age of marriage; then, if you find in them sound judgment, deliver to them their property; and devour it not in extravagance and haste against their growing up. And whoso is rich, let him abstain; and whoso is poor, let him eat thereof with equity. And when you deliver to them their property, then call witnesses in their presence. And Allah is sufficient as a Reckoner.
[4:8] For men is a share of that which parents and near relations leave; and for women is a share of that which parents and near relations leave, whether it be little or much — a determined share.
[4:9] And when other relations and orphans and the poor are present at the division of heritage, give them something therefrom and speak to them words of kindness.
[4:10] And let those fear God who, if they should leave behind them their own weak offspring, would be anxious for them. Let them, therefore, fear Allah and let them say the right word.
[4:11] Surely, they who devour the property of orphans unjustly, only swallow fire into their bellies, and they shall burn in a blazing fire.
[4:12] Allah commands you concerning your children: a male shall have as much as the share of two females; but if there be females only, numbering more than two, then they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased leaves; and if there be one, she shall have the half. And his parents shall have each of them a sixth of the inheritance, if he have a child; but if he have no child and his parents be his heirs, then his mother shall have a third; and if he have brothers and sisters, then his mother shall have a sixth, after the payment of any bequests he may have bequeathed or of debt. Your fathers and your children, you know not which of them is nearest to you in benefit. This fixing of portions is from Allah. Surely, Allah is All- Knowing, Wise.
[4:13] And you shall have half of that which your wives leave, if they have no child; but if they have a child, then you shall have a fourth of that which they leave, after the payment of any bequests they may have bequeathed or of debt. And they shall have a fourth of that which you leave, if you have no child; but if you have a child, then they shall have an eighth of that which you leave, after the payment of any bequests you may have bequeathed or of debt. And if there be a man or a woman whose heritage is to be divided and he or she has neither parent nor child, and he or she has a brother or a sister, then each one of them shall have a sixth. But if they be more than that, then they shall be equal sharers in one-third, after the payment of any bequests which may have been bequeathed or of debt, without prejudice to the debt. This is an injunction from Allah, and Allah is All-Knowing, Forbearing.
[4:14] These are the limits set by Allah; and whoso obeys Allah and His Messenger, He will make him enter Gardens through which streams flow; therein shall they abide; and that is a great triumph.
29 Sep 10
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Originally posted by Conrau KSorry Conrau K...in my bid to give taco a small sense of of what it feels like to be bombarded with scripture, he (and I) probably overlooked this post of yours, and it is good advice for him. I'll repost here:
Look, the forums can often become rife with squabbling. The best you can do is stick it out and try to argue your case as cogently as possible. What really annoys people on the forum is when someone repeatedly quotes Scripture, offering no argument, interpretation or even any comment -- as if their belief is self-evident and everyone else fails to understan ...[text shortened]... early, use good arguments and acknowledge when someone has presented you with a solid objection.
Look, the forums can often become rife with squabbling. The best you can do is stick it out and try to argue your case as cogently as possible. What really annoys people on the forum is when someone repeatedly quotes Scripture, offering no argument, interpretation or even any comment -- as if their belief is self-evident and everyone else fails to understand it simply out of sheer bloodymindedness. You need to put your contention out clearly, use good arguments and acknowledge when someone has presented you with a solid objection.
29 Sep 10
Originally posted by AgergYou have no arguement.......it is you with the fairy tale belief.
Sorry Conrau K...in my bid to give taco a small sense of of what it feels like to be bombarded with scripture, he (and I) probably overlooked this post of yours, and it is good advice for him. I'll repost here:
[b]Look, the forums can often become rife with squabbling. The best you can do is stick it out and try to argue your case as cogently as possible. W ...[text shortened]... , use good arguments and acknowledge when someone has presented you with a solid objection.[/b]
Belief 1. everything comes from nothing. (gee thats scientific)
Belief 2. the magical unseen hand of natural selection is doing everything.....oh its unseen, but I want hard evidence, not fairys in the garden.
Why do you quote false scripture, anyone who knows anything, knows that Islam is a recent creation by the man Muhhamad, who was a politician/poet/warlord/fornicator.......mocking Islam is of no credit to you, because it mocks itself.
So your comments bear no weight in this forum.
vishva
29 Sep 10
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Originally posted by vishvahetu😴
You have no arguement.......it is you with the fairy tale belief.
Belief 1. everything comes from nothing. (gee thats scientific)
Belief 2. the magical unseen hand of natural selection is doing everything.....oh its unseen, but I want hard evidence, not fairys in the garden.
Why do you quote false scripture, anyone who knows anything, knows that I ...[text shortened]... dit to you, because it mocks itself.
So your comments bear no weight in this forum.
vishva
Honestly vishvahetu, to compensate for some of your, ahem, weaknesses you would be well served by finishing some of the schooling you truncated at an early age.
29 Sep 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneActually your wrong but that's ok. We have to know and understand if nothing else a very basic knowledge of what other religions teach because of our door to door work. We meet every concievable religion and belief at the doors. So in order to know why they believe as they do and to hopefully answer their questions or objections to issues in the Bible we have to know at least a little of what they believe and why.
[b]But if we all would listen on others comments then we learn what their saying which would help us all to find the truth. I think we all would like to have all the answers and sometimes by listening we might find them.
Sorry, but have to doubt the sincerity of this. Based on what's been posted on these forums, it seems that JWs are amongst the le ...[text shortened]... ctually listen to what others are saying since their beliefs are so firmly entrenched in dogma.[/b]