Originally posted by sonshipCould be but I don't think so, it appears more like fire than burning with regret to me.What is going on that someone would be weeping and gnashing their teeth?
Self blame, deep regret.
Possibly even the hating of one's self for foolishness of a squandered opportunity.
Relentless love of the self contrary to acceptance of God's love suddenly gives way to hatred of the rebelling self.
Matthew 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matthew 13:39-41King James Version (KJV)
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Matthew 18:8
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Mark 9:45
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Originally posted by KellyJayObsessed with eternal torment... right?
Could be but I don't think so, it appears more like fire than burning with regret to me.
Matthew 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause sh ...[text shortened]... ll have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
It's like you get excited talking about it and you are looking forward to your ringside seat to witness non Christians screaming in pain for all eternity.
I think you are sick and dangerous.
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Originally posted by Rajk999No, I don't like the idea that anyone can end up there! I don't think ignoring it, or trying to
Obsessed with eternal torment... right?
It's like you get excited talking about it and you are looking forward to your ringside seat to witness non Christians screaming in pain for all eternity.
I think you are sick and dangerous.
sugar coat it to mean something else is good for anyone. What does excite me is that
God while we were yet sinners sent Jesus to take on our sin and become sin for us so we
could be forgiven and presented to God as flawless in Christ. Jesus spoke about Hell a
lot, the vast majority if not all of the quotes I gave were Jesus' words. So they are part of
His message to a sinful world, a warning, and if that is required for some they should get
it and not have it hidden from them, because it goes against our feelings.
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Originally posted by KellyJayVerses like this should have to refer to the dispensational punishment of saved Christians.
Could be but I don't think so, it appears more like fire than burning with regret to me.
Matthew 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause sh ...[text shortened]... ll have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Matthew 18:8
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Mark 9:45
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
If they do not then you have to move from Justification by Faith to Justification by Amputation.
These verses must refer to temporary dispensational punishment during the millennial kingdom.
Originally posted by apathistMen can speak for God.
Hey kelly do you speak for god. Back up a step and a half, and then get honest.
Better still men and women can speak God Himself to people.
Why don't you adopt for awhile a rather more teachable attitude?
People can speak for God.
God wants people to speak for God, speak God out, and speak God Himself to other people.
Originally posted by sonshipWe are saved by grace, not works there isn't anything in any of these verses that suggest
Verses like this should have to refer to the dispensational punishment of saved Christians.
[quote] Matthew 18:8
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Mark 9:45
And if t ...[text shortened]...
These verses must refer to temporary dispensational punishment during the millennial kingdom.
otherwise. With respect to Christians, I believe anyone who is saved by Jesus Christ is
a Christian, but not everyone who claims the name is, because they serve themselves by
walking out their lives in the flesh not following God's Spirit. So I don't use the name
Christian to describe them as some here do.
With respect to our hands and feet, you are right if that was the point he was making, but
I don't believe that was the case. Everlasting fire is so important we need to do what we
need to do to avoid it. The only thing that saves us from our sins, is Jesus Christ and He
asks what of us, that we love God, and each other, so we by doing those things with
God's Spirit leading us, we will are saved, and will be saved, living out our lives in God's
grace and mercy showing grace and mercy to others as God has shown us.
I believe that Jesus was stressing to us that our lives shouldn't have anything in them to
lead us away from Him, if for example someone spends more time looking at porn so that
they are lusting most of their lives, they are following after the desires of their flesh, not at
all following the Spirit of God. If they truly wanted to follow God, than choices will have to
be made, seek God's leading over the desires of the flesh. If we are walking after the
flesh we are not walking after the Spirit, and if we don't have God's Spirit, we don't even
belong to Him.
So the point of cutting off a body part shows how important this is, being maimed isn't
something that saves us, only Jesus is. So if we are not loving God and each other we
need to be in prayer getting our hearts right before God.
Great point you brought up too, in my opinion!
Originally posted by Rajk999
Obsessed with eternal torment... right?
It's like you get excited talking about it and you are looking forward to your ringside seat to witness non Christians screaming in pain for all eternity.
I think you are sick and dangerous.
Obsessed with eternal torment... right?
It's like you get excited talking about it and you are looking forward to your ringside seat to witness non Christians screaming in pain for all eternity.
I think you are sick and dangerous.
This is an unfair criticism. What happens is that people like you, FMF, and Dive want to give a criticism here and there and here and there again and just hope the receiver takes it. After awhile the receiver of your pot shots stands up to speak to you criticisms and then you cry "Obsessed!"
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Originally posted by sonshipIt is the absolute moral darkness and incoherence at the very heart of your ideology. And you choose to air it in public.
Rajk999: Obsessed with eternal torment... right?
sonship: This is an unfair criticism. What happens is that people like you, FMF, and Dive want to give a criticism here and there and here and there again and just hope the receiver takes it. After awhile the receiver of your pot shots stands up to speak to you criticisms and then you cry "Obsessed!"
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Originally posted by FMFThis here is your opinion you air it in public so why can't he air his? Are you saying it is your subjective opinion that his ideology is absolute moral darkness and incoherence or are you stating a universal truth?
It is the absolute moral darkness and incoherence at the very heart of your ideology. And you choose to air it in public.