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    [6:58 into the video] "Something that often happens with Dawkins and Harris is that they attribute war and conflict to religious motivation. I find that interesting because, first of all, chimpanzees go to war, so we could lay that right on the table and say, so much for the religious theory. They are territorial. We're territorial. You could consider religious sentiment as an aspect of territoriality, but the fundamental motivation for the battle is territorial."

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    Might it be true that religious sentiment is only an aspect of battles rooted in territoriality, and not the fundamental motivation?
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    When a group of people say that "As we are the chosen people of god we have the right to this territory! And everyone who does not agree to leave this territory to us are against us and should leave!" it is not religion, it is politics, and it is territorial.
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    26 Jul '17 15:431 edit
    Originally posted by @fabianfnas
    When a group of people say that "As we are the chosen people of god we have the right to this territory! And everyone who does not agree to leave this territory to us are against us and should leave!" it is not religion, it is politics, and it is territorial.
    And in turn, some can say that it's not territoriality, it's our need for security. This need is in part, satisfied by the acquisition and occupation of territory. The need for security is not our only need, nor is it unique to a particular group, nor does any one group have a uniquely legitimate right to security.
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    26 Jul '17 16:21
    Originally posted by @fabianfnas
    When a group of people say that "As we are the chosen people of god we have the right to this territory! And everyone who does not agree to leave this territory to us are against us and should leave!" it is not religion, it is politics, and it is territorial.
    For any group that says " "As we are the chosen people of god we have the right to this territory..." it IS religious. It may very well be that it's also political or territorial, but to claim it is not religious is nonsensical.
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    26 Jul '17 16:32
    Originally posted by @fmf
    [6:58 into the video] [b]"Something that often happens with Dawkins and Harris is that they attribute war and conflict to religious motivation. I find that interesting because, first of all, chimpanzees go to war, so we could lay that right on the table and say, so much for the religious theory. They are territorial. We're territorial. You could consider religi ...[text shortened]... iment is only an aspect of battles rooted in territoriality, and not the fundamental motivation?
    Do Dawkins and Harris attribute ALL war and conflict to religious motivation?
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    26 Jul '17 18:04
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    For any group that says " "As we are the chosen people of god we have the right to this territory..." it IS religious. It may very well be that it's also political or territorial, but to claim it is not religious is nonsensical.
    It's not more religious than bin Ladin's deeds. It's all about power. Nothing more. They use religion as a means to get it.
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    26 Jul '17 18:23
    Originally posted by @fabianfnas
    It's not more religious than bin Ladin's deeds. It's all about power. Nothing more. They use religion as a means to get it.
    When all is said and done, to claim it is not religious is nonsensical.
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    26 Jul '17 18:43
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    When all is said and done, to claim it is not religious is nonsensical.
    Well, many are those who use the divine authority for personal matters.
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    26 Jul '17 18:56
    Originally posted by @fabianfnas
    Well, many are those who use the divine authority for personal matters.
    Many are those who attempt to legitimate a land grab by projecting their motives onto a divine authority.
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    26 Jul '17 18:56
    Originally posted by @fabianfnas
    Well, many are those who use the divine authority for personal matters.
    Meaning?
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    Originally posted by @fmf
    [6:58 into the video] [b]"Something that often happens with Dawkins and Harris is that they attribute war and conflict to religious motivation. I find that interesting because, first of all, chimpanzees go to war, so we could lay that right on the table and say, so much for the religious theory. They are territorial. We're territorial. You could consider religi ...[text shortened]... iment is only an aspect of battles rooted in territoriality, and not the fundamental motivation?
    "Might it be true that religious sentiment is only an aspect of battles rooted in territoriality, and not the fundamental motivation?"

    A skewed perspective, which neither answers nor addresses the root cause of all human interrelationships.

    One must needs go back to the beginning. Truth according to the truth. Without a fundamental irrefutable foundation of truth one is left adrift in a sea of speculation.

    Point is, the truth about life cannot be found in human experience. History teaches that left to himself man is destined to repeat the same old story.

    Empires are built, and crumble to the ground.
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    26 Jul '17 22:23
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    Do Dawkins and Harris attribute ALL war and conflict to religious motivation?
    Dont know about the Chinese invading Tibet ... I only saw the movie
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    27 Jul '17 15:08
    Originally posted by @josephw
    [b]"Might it be true that religious sentiment is only an aspect of battles rooted in territoriality, and not the fundamental motivation?"

    A skewed perspective, which neither answers nor addresses the root cause of all human interrelationships.

    One must needs go back to the beginning. Truth according to the truth. Without a fundamental irrefutable ...[text shortened]... man is destined to repeat the same old story.

    Empires are built, and crumble to the ground.[/b]
    "Point is, the truth about life cannot be found in human experience. History teaches that left to himself man is destined to repeat the same old story.

    A saying that supposedly makes the happy man sad and the sad man happy: "This too, shall pass away."

    One thing that cannot pass away, is eternal life.
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    27 Jul '17 21:53
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    Meaning?
    Many are those who use the divine authority for personal matters.
    Nothing more, nothing less.
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    If all religions, their history, their cultural impacts, their architectures, and all of our memories of them were instantly removed, we would still be killing each other, still hating, still invading, still terrorising. Religion is a symptom and channel of hate not the primary cause of it as some would like to comfortably believe.
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