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Thanks for sharing your perspective.

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"Fanatical admirer"?

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I am not "lying" about divegeester. He believes that trying to turn biblical scripture into a left-wing political banner is fraught with hypocrisy. And he does not "loathe Christian socialism". Neither of these statements constitutes me "lying".

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Nigel Farage has absolutely nothing to do with whether divegeester believes that turning biblical scripture into a left-wing political banner is fraught with hypocrisy.

Nor does Nigel Farage have anything to do with whether or not divegeester loathes Christian socialism. And KazetNagorra has nothing to do with either.

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So, KazetNagorra said this to divegeester. So what? What does it have to do with turning biblical scripture into a left-wing political banner being fraught with hypocrisy? What does it have to do with divegeester supposedly loathing Christian socialism, as you are asserting?

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So, OK, you disagree with divegeester over the EU ~ to the extent that you believe his views are "evil" or, at least, you are quoting someone does. I get that. "Evil". "Racism". "Farange". But what does all that have to do with supposedly "loathing Christian socialism" or believing left-wing Christian stances are prone to hypocrisy?

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I don’t loathe Christian socialism and I don’t identify as “right wing” especially when it is used in such a pejorative way by people such yourself. I hold what would be regarded as some right wing views and similarly some left wing views. Nige is a bit of a hero of mine at the moment, standing bravely as he does in the face of sometimes unbelievable abuse and lampoonery from the biased media. But my time for supporting him will pass post Brexit and a new leader will emerge in the UK who will drive the social agenda and begin repairing the damage to our societal framework.

I am pretty sure that suzianne does not loathe either myself nor FMF as I’m sure I don’t loathe her and I am pretty sure FMF doesn’t either. Her and I just argue a lot and occasionally it gets a little heated. You seem to enjoy using emotive language and partisan terms of reference to describe the interrelationships on these boards. It seems to me to be revealing of you being a bit of a nasty stirrer-upper.

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"Well-known" by whom?

What are you "well-known" for?

Intellectually speaking, do you think "It's well-known that Divegeester and FMF are longtime lying troll allies" is a valid debating point?

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KazetNagorra referring to Nigel Farage (who I don't personally support) as 'evil' is as ridiculous and grossly exaggerated as your claim Dive is a fanatical admirer of Farage.

Of course, that's your MO.

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As mentioned above, I think it has to do with the division of attention between worldly attachments and the kingdom of God. Cf. the verses about "serving two masters."

On the other hand, the Bible also contains verses such as, "God has plans to prosper you," which I think must have been involved in the "Protestant work ethic" (which implies that well-off people have the favor of God and poor people have His disfavor), as well as the more recent "Prosperity Gospel" of Joel Osteen and others.

Somewhere I read that "camel" might be a mistranslation of "rope" [they share the same letters (at least in Aramaic)] -- just a side-note, of course, as the implication of difficulty is there in either case.

Does the Axial Age come up often in this forum? This is the period starting about 800 years B.C.E. when post-tribal human societies were becoming more complex and when disparities between rich and poor were becoming more pronounced -- which forms the social backdrop for the rise of some notable philosophers and wisdom-teachers in different locations.

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"But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." - 1 Timothy 6:9-10 KJV