@sonship saidNo one disputes the fact that Christianity has been a successful religion. But its popularity does not constitute proof - or even evidence - that its claims about supernatural things are true.
How come the New Testament is the most widely translated book in history?
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@lemondrop said
it's BS and you know it
the Hebrew God was one of many
and a minor god at that
Physician heal thyself.
It's heavy reading, but "The Two Babylons" by Hislop is a good insight into the multiverse of gods. I'm not saying it is true for all of the pantheon's, but a lot can be shown to be derived from various translations of deified mankind, two in particular being King Nimrod and Queen Semiramis.
I warn you though, once you have read this tome you won't see Christianity in the same light, as once you have woken up to the level of paganism in it you can't go back to sleep again. Christmas (Saturnalia) is a very good example.
@medullah saidI read some of that, and it reinforced my belief that the wise Christian simply follows the teachings of Christ and ignore the rest of Christianity.
It's heavy reading, but "The Two Babylons" by Hislop is a good insight into the multiverse of gods. I'm not saying it is true for all of the pantheon's, but a lot can be shown to be derived from various translations of deified mankind, two in particular being King Nimrod and Queen Semiramis.
I warn you though, once you have read this tome you won't see Christianity in the ...[text shortened]... of paganism in it you can't go back to sleep again. Christmas (Saturnalia) is a very good example.
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@sonship saidThe Vedas tell us the universe is about 155.52 trillion years old. In Srimada Bhagwata 5.20.38, the diameter of the universe is quoted as 500,000,000 yojanas (1 yojanas is equal to approx 9 miles, so its 4.5 trillion miles).
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Name one other book ever written like the first 11 chapters of the book of Genesis.
Please name one book in the Bible that similarly explains the size of the universe.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat nonsense. the universe is 6,000 years old
The Vedas tell us the universe is about 155.52 trillion years old. In Srimada Bhagwata 5.20.38, the diameter of the universe is quoted as 500,000,000 yojanas (1 yojanas is equal to approx 9 miles, so its 4.5 trillion miles).
Please name one book in the Bible that similarly explains the size of the universe.
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The Vedas tell us the universe is about 155.52 trillion years old. In Srimada Bhagwata 5.20.38, the diameter of the universe is quoted as 500,000,000 yojanas (1 yojanas is equal to approx 9 miles, so its 4.5 trillion miles).
Alright. If you know of a good English translation let me go read it please.
By the way I spent considerable time a week ago getting on a role of watching documentaries on Hinduism, Sikhism, Taoism, and Jainism.
I left half watched documentaries on Bahai, and Zoraosterism which I hope to return to this week.
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The Vedas tell us the universe is about 155.52 trillion years old. In Srimada Bhagwata 5.20.38, the diameter of the universe is quoted as 500,000,000 yojanas (1 yojanas is equal to approx 9 miles, so its 4.5 trillion miles).
With as many words as we could count in Genesis 1 - 11 does it also tell us
the first man's name,
where marriage came from,
where the seven day week came from,
how the animals got their names,
the location of the first human family,
where death came from,
the first clothing?
the first mother and wife,
the first murderer,
the first city,
the first musicians,
the first nomads,
the first workers of metallic substances,
the first polygamous marriage,
the first worship,
first migrations of people spreading over the earth?
If not these subjects please let me know where to read and I'll see for myself what else that part of the Vedas explains. Thanks.
@sonship saidUnfortunately for Genesis, I think that Science indicates that humankind has been here long enough for us to have forgotten all of that detailed information. (As in, roughly 100k years or more, with the oldest written records or paintings no more than about 10k years old.)
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The Vedas tell us the universe is about 155.52 trillion years old. In Srimada Bhagwata 5.20.38, the diameter of the universe is quoted as 500,000,000 yojanas (1 yojanas is equal to approx 9 miles, so its 4.5 trillion miles).
With as many words as we could count in Genesis 1 - 11 does it also tell us
the first man's name,
...[text shortened]... let me know where to read and I'll see for myself what else that part of the Vedas explains. Thanks.
The amount of detail actually detracts from Genesis' credibility ... at least, it does if you insist that Adam and Eve were the very first two humans ever.
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Science doesn't tell us so much. Scientists give their theories. With the pronouncements of scientists I take an attitude of "Let's see what they will say latter."
Take for example the belief in a FIRST man and women. I would not at all be surprised if soon it comes out that scientists say this must be the case, though today some say now that it could not be. I like to stay tuned and see what changes in opinions scientists have.
When I was a adolescent there was far less talk about ancient extinction events from scientists. Since those days I have heard that cataclysmic events drastically altered the world. I read of theories of killer comets, killer asteroids, killer gas bubbling up from the sea. Over the years it seems what some scientists theorize inches closer to the Bible's teaching that "the earth became waste and empty" in a destruction / reconstruction scenario as I believe Genesis outlines.
So let me see what scientists will come up with as time passes. There were nine planets most of my youth. Today their are eight as Pluto was demoted. And school text books in biology are still published with long discarded theories.
Now it is interesting that sometimes critics of the Bible say "No one remembers anymore" in one instance. Yet at other times its "See? The epic of Gilgamesh remembers a flood with different details." This is suspicious to me. This is like if we don't like what the Bible remembers, no one remembers anymore. But if another ancient writing has a less bothersome version, its they remember better then the Bible."
A world wide flood (what "world" constitutes may be an argument) is a tradition found in man's collected memory all over the globe. I take the view that the accurate account is in the Bible. And as descendants of the eight surviving people multiplied the tale underwent embellishments to meet cultural needs of varied societies spawning off from forbearers who passed the account down.
It doesn't matter to me that a somewhat different account was written before Genesis was written. I think the truest account written whenever it was was in the Hebrew Bible. Oral traditions or written traditions of other details proliferated the world.
The ancient Chinese wrote of a world wide flood.
Other cultures remember a flood in which few people and some animals
survived. I think I'll believe the Bible.
If Adam was not the first man the scheme of the New Testament I think collapses. Christ is "the second men" as a new head of a new humanity. Christ is the "last Adam" concluding a certain kind of human being which He concluded on the cross.
Going after Adam as never having been man #1 I think renders Christ delusional and New Testament salvation kind of unintelligible. Gradualism into human being I don't think is the case in spite of the fact that apes and monkeys kind of look like pre-human animals.
I interpret that similarity differently. I think the Creator purposely wanted humans at the top of the pinnacle of living things to look down and appreciate that they are connect to all creatures YET entirely distinct too.
Ie. Only humans have the ability of language, spiritual and philosophical contemplation. I think only we wonder about God. There is a connection to all animals yet we are distinct. Genesis says in making man God had a special counsel with Himself and said "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them have dominion . . . " (Gen. 1:26).
No human being existed to be able to record it. So it had to be given to us by way of revelation.
@sonship saidScience gave us the electronic devices that make up this forum.
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Science doesn't tell us so much. Scientists give their theories. With the pronouncements of scientists I take an attitude of "Let's see what they will say latter."
Take for example the belief in a FIRST man and women. I would not at all be surprised if soon it comes out that scientists say this must be the case, though today s ...[text shortened]...
No human being existed to be able to record it. So it had to be given to us by way of revelation.
Science has done far more to improve the lives of people than religion could ever dream of.
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Science gave us the electronic devices that make up this forum.
I appreciate Science. Its just not my religion (Scientism).
As we move further into the 21rst century I deeply appreciate what
the advances in knowledge of microbiology reveal intelligent design is far more plausible. Darwin only saw the cell as a blob of jelly like substance. Thanks to hard working science and advancement of technology we see now the unbelievable factory like operations that occur inside every cell.
Science has done far more to improve the lives of people than religion could ever dream of.
It is interesting that in the West the scientific method advanced more so then in elsewhere. This is because the idea of a intelligible universe run on laws inherited from a belief in a Creator.
Newton, Galileo, Kepler, Lenard, Faraday, Lamaitria, Heisenberg, Compton, Hess, Eddington, Maxwell, Planck, Collins, Pascal were a few who were theists.
Forget about "All the good scientists were atheists or non-religious."
I didn't say Science was useless. I said I like to wait to see how scientists change their views on some things.