-Removed-A brief answer:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/what-is-the-point-of-eternal-suffering.181749/page-23#post_4072043
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Another short answer:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/what-is-the-point-of-eternal-suffering.181749/page-20#post_4071031
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A longer answer that addresses the topic:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/what-is-the-point-of-eternal-suffering.181749/page-17#post_4070938
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Another brief answer:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/what-is-the-point-of-eternal-suffering.181749/page-16#post_4070910
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A good answer pertaining as to who sends who to hell and thus who i sresponsible for the suffering:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/what-is-the-point-of-eternal-suffering.181749/page-15#post_4070272
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I could go on.
This has been covered directly & indirectly many times.
Take your pick.
And... if your reply is to simply ask again what is the point without having adequately addressed any of these, it would be folly to engage you further.
-Removed-You have no grasp of God's righteousness and holiness. You also don't see man's wickedness and evil, even as you complain about it all the time. If you did you'd realize His mercy being given right now each day towards us ready. He is putting up with our sins now, unlike you and I in this world we see what touches us and that around us, He experiences every crime with our hate and lust each moment of the day. His love towards us is the only thing keeping us all out of Hell right now, He would be justified to simply destroyed us all for the crimes against the Holy One we do all of the time.
The reality of a good and just God should terrify you, it means that without exception each and every crime, hateful deed and word will be accounted for, because He is good and we are not. Our only hope is God who is attempting to save us from standing before us in our sins, by taking on our wickedness and sin upon Himself to save us. This is not a little thing, but some treat is as if its all God's fault we are sinners, God doesn't tempt anyone to sin, He cannot be tempted with evil. So many of our curses due to our wicked hearts are directed against the Holy One who loves and is saving us. It will all be displayed on the day of judgment, nothing will be hidden there will be no excuse for all of our crimes against God if we reject the great salvation of Jesus Christ.
@kellyjay saidIf I behave as God behaved in the OT, will I be good?
You have no grasp of God's righteousness and holiness. You also don't see man's wickedness and evil, even as you complain about it all the time. If you did you'd realize His mercy being given right now each day towards us ready. He is putting up with our sins now, unlike you and I in this world we see what touches us and that around us, He experiences every crime with our h ...[text shortened]... ill be no excuse for all of our crimes against God if we reject the great salvation of Jesus Christ.
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@proper-knob saidActually it is because God is good do you see things done by God in the OT towards evil men, you even see His grace and mercy when none should be given if all that was seen was justice. Evil and wickedness in the OT were man's, and the result of those deeds brought about judgment.
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How anyone who has read the OT can claim God is 'good' must surely be using a 'non-standard' definition of the word 'good'. I think you need to take those rose tinted glasses off Kelly.
If anything what the OT should tell you is about God giving us mercy when we could be held accountable at once. Mercy is a term a used a lot, it isn't one that is given to anyone due to their righteousness instead it is given to those that do not deserve it. Just like forgiveness, forgiveness isn't a term used by those towards righteous people, righteous people don't need forgiveness, but those that have done wrong need mercy and forgiveness.
The only one who can give forgiveness is the very one wronged, not some third party with no part to play. As I pointed out all crimes and deeds against each of us is one against Him, He is the creator of all of us and we all have done wrong. Our version of good isn't one that can apply to ourselves and to God, for we excuse our bad behavior, we accuse and hold others accountable for many of the things we do ourselves. If there are rose colored tinted glasses it is you own.
-Removed-No, you will be cast into the fire for sins, many will be cast in believing in God, the devil believes and he is going in. Many who say Lord, Lord are going to be cast in, if your evil heart has not be given to God so God can redeem you, you'll stand before Him in your sins and when judgment is done for your evil and wicked deeds someone else will throw you into the fire.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou create the universe, you set the rules?
If I behave as God behaved in the OT, will I be good?
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@kellyjay saidThis is pure rose tinted tosh Kelly. God didn't just kill 'evil men', he even says as much in the OT, here's is one quote of many -
Actually it is because God is good do you see things done by God in the OT towards evil men, you even see His grace and mercy when none should be given if all that was seen was justice. Evil and wickedness in the OT were man's, and the result of those deeds brought about judgment.
Exodus 20:5-6 New International Version (NIV)
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Punishing children for what their parents did is not 'good'. It's evil.
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@kellyjay saidWhen you say "reject him" what you actually mean is 'to not believe the same things you do, to believe something different, to not agree with your personal opinions, to have not settled for the supposed explanations that your religion serves you up with and that satisfy you', right?
He is a good God who is extending grace and mercy to a sinful world, reject Him if you will.