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The concept of eternal suffering doesn’t bring people to Christ, so what is the point of it?
@divegeester saidFear, control, and of course, revenue.
The concept of eternal suffering doesn’t bring people to Christ, so what is the point of it?
@divegeester saidYour mistake is the assumption that everything in existence that comes from God is solely to bring people to Christ.
The concept of eternal suffering doesn’t bring people to Christ, so what is the point of it?
@philokalia saidWhat is the “reason” for torturing people for eternity after they die, in a place no one can see from the here-and-now?
Your mistake is the assumption that everything in existence that comes from God is solely to bring people to Christ.
Where did you come up with that one?
The question of what the "point" of eternal suffering is is also perhaps wrong. Some things have reasons, but they do not have points because they are not meant to lead to some final goal.
...[text shortened]... as to be understood that Hell is not created by God, but rather, it is the result of rejecting God.
@divegeester saidFor those who tell themselves [and maybe others] that they are "saved" by their belief in their convoluted doctrines about the supernatural realm, and therefore they will not face "eternal suffering" they believe in, I think the concept that those who have different beliefs from them - and their ultimate in-crowd - will be subjected to incomprehensibly perverted supernatural cruelty and violence - without end - by the god figure they worship, is a kind of malignant narcissism of genocidal-strength .
The concept of eternal suffering doesn’t bring people to Christ, so what is the point of it?
@philokalia saidIf it is wrong to think the purpose of bringing people into existence is to bring them to "Christ", do you believe your God figure creates human beings for the explicit and foreseen purpose of torturing them in burning flames for eternity?
Your mistake is the assumption that everything in existence that comes from God is solely to bring people to Christ.
@philokalia saidSo do you believe that tormenting people in burning flames for eternity for not believing in Jesus may, in fact, be pointless?
The question of what the "point" of eternal suffering is is also perhaps wrong. Some things have reasons, but they do not have points because they are not meant to lead to some final goal.
It also has to be understood that Hell is not created by God, but rather, it is the result of rejecting God.
@philokalia saidSo do you believe that no one or nothing actually carries out the tormenting and burning of humans in flames for eternity, that it just happens anyway, somehow, without any 'agent' or perpetrator, and that the Bible is wrong to suggest that Jesus will be there, looking on, and watching the torture being administered?
It also has to be understood that Hell is not created by God, but rather, it is the result of rejecting God.
@divegeester saidWho came to Christ because of it? How many have been put off of Christ because of it?
What is the “reason” for torturing people for eternity after they die, in a place no one can see from the here-and-now?
Who came to Christ because of it?
How many have been put off of Christ because of it?
@divegeester saidYou did not confront any of my points but merely asked questions based off of the same assumptions you started this thread with.
What is the “reason” for torturing people for eternity after they die, in a place no one can see from the here-and-now?
Who came to Christ because of it?
How many have been put off of Christ because of it?
@fmf saidIt would not be pointless in terms of it being reasonless, but it could potentially be pointless in terms of not having an end goal beyond the act that is occurring.
So do you believe that tormenting people in burning flames for eternity for not believing in Jesus may, in fact, be pointless?
@fmf saidOh no, people are not created destined for hell.
If it is wrong to think the purpose of bringing people into existence is to bring them to "Christ", do you believe your God figure creates human beings for the explicit and foreseen purpose of torturing them in burning flames for eternity?
@fmf said
So do you believe that no one or nothing actually carries out the tormenting and burning of humans in flames for eternity, that it just happens anyway, somehow, without any 'agent' or perpetrator, and that the Bible is wrong to suggest that Jesus will be there, looking on, and watching the torture being administered?
Revelation 14:9-10 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
@philokalia saidWhat is the moral purpose of it occuring?
It would not be pointless in terms of it being reasonless, but it could potentially be pointless in terms of not having an end goal beyond the act that is occurring.
@philokalia saidYou did not make any points. You asserted that i had made a mistake, I haven't.
You did not confront any of my points but merely asked questions based off of the same assumptions you started this thread with.