What is the point of God today?

@pb1022 said
I wasn’t referring to myself because I’m a believer. I was referring to those who don’t believe in God and who think this life is all there is.

Then you seem to be intent on dehumanizing people among those who don’t believe in God who are married.

@fmf said
I talked about trying to reconcile. I didn't talk about one day of this and one day of that. I did not talk about "expectation of success". You are moving the goalposts constantly. My position about trying to reconcile, regardless of the problem with the relationship, is not "absurd" at all. It's odd that you think my position on this is.

Not moving the goalposts at all.

This is what you said a few pages back:

<<No. If my wife and I were struggling in some way and I then heard that I "knew for a fact that [I] would die two days later", I believe those two days would be filled with reconciliation and celebration of our 28 years together. For you to suggest this would "seem kind of pointless" is either you attempting to dehumanize people like me [and my wife] OR you are inadvertently dehumanizing yourself.>>

@fmf said
Then you seem to be intent on dehumanizing people among those who don’t believe in God who are married.

I’m not dehumanizing anyone.

@pb1022 said
This is what you said a few pages back:

<<No. If my wife and I were struggling in some way and I then heard that I "knew for a fact that [I] would die two days later", I believe those two days would be filled with reconciliation and celebration of our 28 years together. For you to suggest this would "seem kind of pointless" is either you attempting to dehumanize people like me [and my wife] OR you are inadvertently dehumanizing yourself.>>

Yes. That post is about me [the real person you are conversing with] and my wife [the real person sitting in the next room] and I am referring to our marriage [which is real]. We both face threats to our health which are real. We have both had our ups and downs, and that is all real. There is nothing "absurd" about what I have said.

@pb1022 said
I’m not dehumanizing anyone.

To suggest that it would be "pointless" for non-believers to try to repair a marriage because [1] they could die at any moment and [2] they do not believe in eternal life is textbook dehumanization.

@fmf said
To suggest that it would be "pointless" for non-believers to try to repair a marriage because [1] they could die at any moment and [2] they do not believe in eternal life is textbook dehumanization.

Now who’s moving the goalposts?

I originally said for a believer *who did not have the hope of eternal life* but did have God’s help in daily living and the peace that passes all understanding to ask for God’s help in repairing a broken marriage would seem pointless because that believer could die an hour later.

That somehow morphed into me dehumanizing atheists.

@fmf said
Yes. That post is about me [the real person you are conversing with] and my wife [the real person sitting in the next room] and I am referring to our marriage [which is real]. We both face threats to our health which are real. We have both had our ups and downs, and that is all real. There is nothing "absurd" about what I have said.

I have no interest in making this about you and your wife so you can accuse me of trolling you about your marriage.

Not falling into that trap, kiddo.

@pb1022 said
I originally said for a believer *who did not have the hope of eternal life* but did have God’s help in daily living and the peace that passes all understanding to ask for God’s help in repairing a broken marriage would seem pointless because that believer could die an hour later.

So you are also seeking to dehumanize Christians who do not believe in eternal life as well? I have never met a believer in your God figure who takes that stance; maybe you have.

Why does a lack of belief in eternal life and the possibility of death make trying to repair a marriage "pointless" for [1] believers who believe they can ask for help from God [while not believing in eternal life] and for [2] non-believers who don't believe that they can ask for help from God and don't believe in eternal life? What does NOT BELIEVING IN ETERNAL LIFE have to do with trying to repair a marriage?

@pb1022 said
I have no interest in making this about you and your wife so you can accuse me of trolling you about your marriage.

But you copy-pasted what I said about me and my wife and used it as an example [of something that I said] which you consider to be "absurd".

Instead of choosing to ignore the personal information I gave, you chose to copy-paste it and denigrate it as "absurd".

@fmf said
So you are also seeking to dehumanize Christians who do not believe in eternal life as well? I have never met a believer in your God figure who takes that stance; maybe you have.

Why does a lack of belief in eternal life and the possibility of death make trying to repair a marriage "pointless" for [1] believers who believe they can ask for help from God [while not beli ...[text shortened]... n eternal life? What does NOT BELIEVING IN ETERNAL LIFE have to do with trying to repair a marriage?

<<So you are also seeking to dehumanize Christians who do not believe in eternal life as well?>>

Huh?! What?!

All Christians believe in eternal life.

<<I have never met a believer in your God figure who takes that stance; maybe you have.>>

I’ve never met a Christian who doesn’t believe in eternal life. You’re using (I think) a hypothetical about what Christians have as their point or reason for believing in God and removing eternal life because I said that was not the only point.

<<Why does a lack of belief in eternal life and the possibility of death make trying to repair a marriage "pointless" for [1] believers who believe they can ask for help from God [while not believing in eternal life] and for [2] non-believers who don't believe that they can ask for help from God and don't believe in eternal life? What does NOT BELIEVING IN ETERNAL LIFE have to do with trying to repair a marriage?>>

I asked you that question a few posts ago and you ignored it so I’ll try again.

You, in this hypothetical, have a badly-damaged relationship with someone. You know for a fact you will die in two days.

You cannot disclose to the person whom you have a badly-damaged relationship that you will die in two days.

Why are you trying to reconcile with that person? What is the point? What are you hoping to achieve?

@fmf said
But you copy-pasted what I said about me and my wife and used it as an example [of something that I said] which you consider to be "absurd".

Instead of choosing to ignore the personal information I gave, you chose to copy-paste it and denigrate it as "absurd".

You brought your wife into this. I didn’t.

I have kept this hypothetical strictly to “someone” you have a badly-damaged relationship with.

You have chosen to personalize this. Not me.

And I’m not going to rewrite your very own posts to avoid “offending” you.

@pb1022 said
All Christians believe in eternal life.

So in what circumstances would someone who believed they could ask for help from God - but who did NOT believe in eternal life - believe trying to repair their marriage "pointless" because they could die at any moment? Be clear.

@pb1022 said
You, in this hypothetical, have a badly-damaged relationship with someone. You know for a fact you will die in two days.

You cannot disclose to the person whom you have a badly-damaged relationship that you will die in two days.

Why are you trying to reconcile with that person? What is the point? What are you hoping to achieve?

I would be trying to reconcile with her.

@pb1022 said
You brought your wife into this. I didn’t.

Then if all you want to say about the personal information that I used to answer your question in good faith is that it is "absurd", then perhaps you should just ignore it rather than copy-paste it and call it "absurd". I mentioned my wife, it's true. You can just ignore it if you want.