-Removed-Heaven, Hell, Judgment day, God, the devil, angels, and demons are not something you can witness in the here and now and prove you did. Future events are also not something we prove only point to with cause, the cause for Hell is evil; God is going to judge everyone, human or spiritual beings, on judgment day, and the result of that judgment for all of those found to have died in their sin will be the same fate and eternal Hell. You can dismiss those portions of scripture that speak of these things and fixate on those things you like thinking about; the reality of what will occur will not change no matter what you do.
-Removed-You make up your reality dive and preach that to those with itching ears who want what your made-up reality has in it. Life is full of people who want followers and have found ways to make money telling people things they like to hear. Truth isn't always pleasant, but it will not change simply because some lie is more palatable.
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The point of a place prepared for the Devil and his angels is to have a place where all who want nothing to do with God may together go there after their leader.
One place, led to by one leader who was the one master of all revolt and rebellion against God.
And on grounds which are impossible to misunderstand God has told us that resevoir for all who want no part of God, will not be enjoyable.
It is like God saying - "You can follow after my temporary arch enemy under the impression that it will be preferable to My kingdom and My administration. But it is My responsibility to tell you in terms impossible to misunderstand, You're not going to enjoy such a place."
@sonship saidWell, Dive, there’s your answer, the main selling point: For some people, virtue is not it’s own reward; there has to be a carrot & stick to get them to at least try to be moral.
The point of a place prepared for the Devil and his angels is to have a place where all who want nothing to do with God may together go there after their leader.
One place, led to by one leader who was the one master of all revolt and rebellion against God.
And on grounds which are impossible to misunderstand God has told us that resevoir for all who want no pa ...[text shortened]... tell you in terms impossible to misunderstand, You're not going to enjoy such a place." [/i]
-Removed-When you are given answers, you either ignore them, miss them, or don't grasp their points and ask again as if that changes what was said to you in the first place. Judgment day is a reckoning for the evil this life produces due to the evil done here by both spirit and human beings. We will either stand before God in the grace Jesus gives or our sins just like Satan and every demon will, and from there, the eternal kingdom will have those who choose to answer God's call and receive the grace that God gave us, due to the love He has for us. Those who loved their sins and wanted nothing to do with it, who hated God, who didn't care, will receive precisely what righteousness and justice demand for all of their evil.
-Removed-When what you call church faith speech is the answer it’s the answer. What the scriptures declare are either true or false if true accept them or not will not change the reality we find ourselves in where God created everything and He is the prime reality. You want to replace that with a popularity poll doesn’t change what is.
@kellyjay saidHe's not asking what's in scripture. He's not asking whether what's in scripture is true or false. He's not asking not a doctrinal question.
When what you call church faith speech is the answer it’s the answer. What the scriptures declare are either true or false if true accept them or not will not change the reality we find ourselves in where God created everything and He is the prime reality. You want to replace that with a popularity poll doesn’t change what is.
He's asking why anyone who doesn't already buy into scripture would find the hellish imagery presented there something he would want to buy into. Quoting scripture is not an answer to this question.
@moonbus saidTruth is the only reason we should accept anything. Not if it is popular or gives me warm and fuzzy feelings, if true it is a reality that is facing us all.
He's not asking what's in scripture. He's not asking whether what's in scripture is true or false. He's not asking not a doctrinal question.
He's asking why anyone who doesn't already buy into scripture would find the hellish imagery presented there something he would want to buy into. Quoting scripture is not an answer to this question.
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When reaching out to those with no Christian faith, what is the proselytising purpose of an invisible, unproven, preconceived place of eternal torture. A place which is allegedly designed for the sole purpose of a god avenging himself on billions of unbelieving people, who would actually believe in him if he showed them Hell was real?
There are far too many front loaded, presuppositional accusational innuendos in your "question." I can only regard it as stated as a strung together series of condemnations with a disungenuous question mark at the end. Its pretty obvious that you're not in the least open to anything but your own viewpoint.
I just accept that.
Its been a long time going in circles with you about it.