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What is the point of Hell?

What is the point of Hell?

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all the available evidence is against a literal interpretation that this is how things happened.


I alluded briely to the inadaquate explanations of the existence of the extremely unlikely satillite we all know as the Moon with its relative size, gravitational relation with the earth, and its placement speaks loudly of mysteriously intelligent like consequences.

A sloppy chance accident of happenstance, the moon is not.
I think as we move more into the 22nd century former theories of natural causes will be more and more challenged as appearling to be unlikely in favor of intelligent design and placement with humankind as a central motive seeming more evident.

I am not a YEC creationist. But I doubt there is a known undisputed science fact that renders Genesis 1 through 31 to have been impossible. And flood traditions from all over the world seem to have a common central characteristic that in primordial memory of mankind a flood reduced a previous world to a new start.

The accounts are by no means identical. But the accounts suggest there exists a memory of something like a world wide destruction in which a few humans only survived.


What Genesis 'explains' it explains very poorly and is contradicted by empirically verifiable facts. There was no talking snake; the Garden of Eden story is an allegory, not history.


I have explained before that HISTORICAL artifacts can have also allegorical meaning in God's arrangement.

An ark was historical and symbolic I believe.
A Passover lamb was both historical and symbolic.
A crossing of the Red Sea was historical and symbolic.
A conquest of Canaan was hisrtorical and symbolic as well.
An ark of the covenant was historical and also allegorical.
A cross of Jesus was both historical and symbolic as well.
A Last Supper was both historical and symbolic as well.

A speaking serpent, I believe, was of the same nature.
It is suppose to be unusual because it is unusual that any being should be in
opposition to God and lie concerning Him as an enemy.

I have no problem with a miraculously speaking serpent to communicate our origins on this planet have both positive and negative supernatural aspects - some of God and well meaning and some of God's enemy and malevalent.


What Genesis purports to elucidate is that man is dependent upon a power over
which he has no control and which makes ethical demands of him.


He HAD control by God's mandate. He LOST control almost entirely by a thrust for independence from his Creator.

He is trying by his means to REGAIN that control.
But for this the essential ingredient is to be reconciled to God.

And we see in history what this would look like in the Person of Jesus Christ.

My comments may be different from what some other Christian may offer.
I think KellyJay may be more a Young Earth Creationist.
Even so I think he would have some points which should be heard the matter of
creation.

The world as we know it arranged for man may not be as ancient as we thought.
The explanations of soft tissue in dinosaur bones is a case in point.

I'm sorry. I don't think anything living should be soft and squishy after 60 MILLION years. And if any paleantologist insists of 60 million year old soft blood vessels I would ask him - "How easier is that to believe than a speaking snake?"

That's not 60 years Moonbus. That is not 600 years. That is not a million years. That is sixty or more MILLION years. I don't think being asked to believe that is less encredible than God allowing a serpent to speak or preparing a ordered world for man in six days.

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You may have a story you place on something you see; claiming your story is true is not a fact. What fact are you referring to? If you are telling about something, that something is the fact, your explanation not so much. Does everything else that is also facts fit in nicely as all truth statements should? The beginning, found in the Genesis story, to what are you putting next to it that better fits all of the evidence for how it all started?

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Can you be less specific? πŸ€”

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I believe that there are allegory, symbolism, dreams, poems, and history in scripture.


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It all has to be taken seriously and if it is speaking about specific historical events and those events are referenced as factual events, in context later, that says they are. If someone has a dream or a vision those could be anything. Jesus quoted Genesis events as actual events.


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@sonship said

all the available evidence is against a literal interpretation that this is how things happened.


I alluded briely to the inadaquate explanations of the existence of the extremely unlikely satillite we all know as the Moon with its relative size, gravitational relation with the earth, and its placement speaks loudly of mysteriously intelligent like conse ...[text shortened]... s encredible than God allowing a serpent to speak or preparing a ordered world for man in six days.
Gad, you are prolix.

One does not have to prove a thing impossible to know it didn’t happen.

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It is to be taken seriously, even those parts that are not literal, and as I said, there are allegory, symbolism, dreams, visions, and such in it. Even the non-literal pieces of scripture are to be taken as seriously as those that are literal.




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