@whodey saidThe torturer god ideology is morally incoherent so it's an interesting topic to debate and discuss.
So if Dive and the rest really believe that there is no hell, then why be obsessed about it?
I mean, who cares what anyone does or says if we all wind up in the same place at the end of our lives?
@whodey saidIt's a bloodless way to torture people in real life, instead of waiting for some imaginary Barbecue Psycho God to do it for you.
So if Dive and the rest really believe that there is no hell, then why be obsessed about it?
I mean, who cares what anyone does or says if we all wind up in the same place at the end of our lives?
The supreme irony is that FMF & Dive believe it is incoherent for God to hold murderers, rapists, and haters of the light responsible for their time on Earth...
But they dedicate a couple hours a day to seeing if Sonship has said something that might be flippant or inconsiderate & using it to imply he is a hypocrite & a hater.
But what can you do.
We're all hypocrites, right? 🙂
@philokalia saidI don't believe that there is a god or gods that "hold murderers, rapists, and haters of the light responsible".
The supreme irony is that FMF & Dive believe it is incoherent for God to hold murderers, rapists, and haters of the light responsible for their time on Earth...
What I find fascinating is the notion that murderers and rapists can be rewarded with everlasting life for believing in Jesus while people who are not murderers and rapists who don't find the Jesus story credible can be tormented in burning flames for eternity as "revenge" for it.
The perceived supernatural being at the centre of the torturer god ideology seems to me to be the most ludicrous and depraved idea ever conjured up by the human imagination. It's interesting how it appeals to the imagination of so many people.
@whodey saidHarming others is almost always not morally sound. When such acts contravene the law and can be prosecuted and the perpetrators punished for it, then I support that. I don't advocate not punishing those who have harmed others. Sometimes people get away with it. Sometimes people are wrongly prosecuted. That's life.
As is not punishing those who have harmed others.
@philokalia saidSpeak for yourself. There is nothing hypocritical about the stances I take on various issues on this message board.
We're all hypocrites, right?
@whodey saidWhat is justice?
Where is the justice and what is justice?
In the context that we are dealing with here, and as seen from my agnostic atheist and non-superstitious perspective, "justice" is the administering of proportionate punishment by representatives of the community against someone whose immoral actions have caused egregious harm [i.e. through damage, deception, or coersion, as defined by laws] to other members of the community, in a way that implements as many of these five processes and purposes ~ namely, retribution, deterrence, rehabilitation, restoration, incapacitation ~ as deemed possible and appropriate by society.
"Justice" can be taken to mean the decisions and actions taken by society against its own members in accordance with laws ~ the details of which can be described objectively ~ and can be perceived subjectively with regard to its fairness or coherence.
"Justice" is not always done, the conjecture about imagined cosmic "justice" notwithstanding.
