What is the point to the threads about hell?

@philokalia said
I think you will continue to have such a poor opinion of God because you do not even want to state the case for God in the way that it is stated in the Bible.

I don't have "a poor opinion of God". When you trot out your ideology, I don't believe you are talking about a creator being or a moral lawgiver. I have a poor opinion of your ideology and I find the God figure you describe to be non-credible. I find the ideology you propagate morally incoherent for the reasons I have been explaining here for years. You offer a series of assertions, that's all.

@philokalia said
If you can't be bothered to state things accurately about the religion, with precision, you are not behaving seriously about it.

You are regurgitating what is essentially a partisan/groupist piece of 'It Is Because It Is' dogma and not a moral argument that has any significance for most human beings.

@philokalia said
We have all been doing this for years so we should think of ourselves as advancing, right, and as we advance we should strive to be more precise in the way that we treat topics, not continuing to engage it as amateurs.

Whether you claim to be a professional theologian ~ or an amateur theologian ~ is neither here nor there. I believe I get to the heart of the nonsense you propagate in a "precise" and telling way. That is exactly why you end up frittering way so many of your posts on personal remarks.

@fmf said
I don't have "a poor opinion of God". When you trot out your ideology, I don't believe you are talking about a creator being or a moral lawgiver. I have a poor opinion of your ideology and I find the God figure you describe to be non-credible. I find the ideology you propagate morally incoherent for the reasons I have been explaining here for years. You offer a series of assertions, that's all.

You were a Christian.
Your posts are quite comical, knowing your past.

@chaney3 said
You were a Christian.
Your posts are quite comical, knowing your past.

"Comical"? How so?

Having been a Christian perhaps gives me perspective.

All I am doing is sharing my perspective.

How does having been a Christian - and having lost that faith - undermine my stated perspective?

@chaney3 said
Your posts are quite comical, knowing your past.

Do you have any response to the content of the posts that you are seeking to dismiss by calling them "comical"?

@fmf said
I don't have "a poor opinion of God". When you trot out your ideology, I don't believe you are talking about a creator being or a moral lawgiver. I have a poor opinion of your ideology and I find the God figure you describe to be non-credible. I find the ideology you propagate morally incoherent for the reasons I have been explaining here for years. You offer a series of assertions, that's all.

It would be great, then, if you were to to provide us your take on the Bible and let us now what the Christian God would look like based off of your advanced understanding.

Of course, that is not to say that you would necessarily believe in it...

But what is the best case for the Christian God.

@fmf said
Whether you claim to be a professional theologian ~ or an amateur theologian ~ is neither here nor there. I believe I get to the heart of the nonsense you propagate in a "precise" and telling way. That is exactly why you end up frittering way so many of your posts on personal remarks.

Oh, I am sorry you think I waste a lot of psots on personal remarks. I'll not do that.

But I would say... You didn't actually directly answer the post I had made above.

@philokalia said
Oh, I am sorry you think I waste a lot of psots on personal remarks. I'll not do that.

Like I do, you should post as you see fit. Maybe you type them for the consumption of others, but your personal remarks are wasted on me. It's pretty clear to me why you do it.

@philokalia said
But I would say... You didn't actually directly answer the post I had made above.

If that's what you would say, then that's your prerogative.

@philokalia said
It would be great, then, if you were to to provide us your take on the Bible and let us now what the Christian God would look like based off of your advanced understanding.

I feel no need to invent a "Christian God" that appeals to my imagination in order to compete with the "Christian God" that you describe and that appeals to your imagination.

@philokalia said
But what is the best case for the Christian God.

I'll leave that to Christians to propose. As I have said many times, if "the best case for the Christian God" works for you and gives you purpose, structure and solace, then that's fine.

@fmf said
I feel no need to invent a "Christian God" that appeals to my imagination in order to compete with the "Christian God" that you describe and that appeals to your imagination.

You misread the post: I am suggesting that, based off of your knowledge of the Bible, you tell us what the Christian God actually sounds like -- what is the objective truth about him in accordance to the theology that is there.

OR, do you admit that there are multiple ways to interpret him?

@fmf said
I'll leave that to Christians to propose. As I have said many times, if "the best case for the Christian God" works for you and gives you purpose, structure and solace, then that's fine.

But that is rather curious because you do tend to embrace a particular view of what the Christian God is like -- saying that all non-believers are sent to hell and such.

Yet, I have said that does not actually describe my beliefs or the theology -- which is the case for me and hundreds of millions of other Christians.

You aren't actually leaving it up to Christians. You are attacking a specific, hyperbolic position that is not the case for most people.

@philokalia said
You misread the post: I am suggesting that, based off of your knowledge of the Bible, you tell us what the Christian God actually sounds like -- what is the objective truth about him in accordance to the theology that is there.

"Objective truth"? What are you on about?

I didn't "misread" your post. I will leave Christian theology to Christians.