Originally posted by galveston75Here is a quote I came across the other day (CAC.org) - it captures rather nicely the thinking behind your question.
If you do believe in the God of the Bible, just wanting to hear your opinions, views, ideas, wants, approvals or disapprovals of God? If he isn't what you want in a God, how would you change him or ask of him to do differently?
No arguing here, just your thoughts.....
For many Christians, it is what we get out of God that matters. What has he done for me lately? As the quote ends - this is not the Gospel!
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The phrase “spirituality of subtraction” was inspired by Meister Eckhart (c. 1260-1327), the medieval Dominican mystic. He said that the spiritual life has much more to do with subtraction than it does with addition. Yet I think most Christians today are involved in great part in a spirituality of addition, and in that, they are not really very traditional or conservative at all.
The capitalist worldview is the only one most of us have ever known. We see reality, experiences, events, other people, and things—in fact, everything—as objects for our personal consumption. Even religion, Scripture, sacraments, worship services, and meritorious deeds become ways to advance ourselves—not necessarily ways to love God or neighbor.
The nature of the capitalist mind is that things (and often people!) are there for me. Finally, even God becomes an object for my consumption. Religion looks good on my resume, and anything deemed “spiritual” is a check on my private worthiness list. Some call it spiritual consumerism. It is not the Gospel.
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The question is really: What is the God of the Bible like? And why is MY view of her so different from that of other people?
If I create a god of my own liking, I have just made an idol.
Originally posted by CalJusthttp://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=10180222445
Here is a quote I came across the other day (CAC.org) - it captures rather nicely the thinking behind your question.
For many Christians, it is what we get out of God that matters. What has he done for me lately? As the quote ends - this is not the Gospel!
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The phrase “spirituality of subtraction” was inspired by Meister Eckha ...[text shortened]... ent from that of other people?
If I create a god of my own liking, I have just made an idol.
Ten shekels and shirt I think address some of your concerns here, very
powerful sermon, but a tiny dry at first, but he sure gets his point across
at the end. I heard this shortly after I got saved, around 1980 or there
about. Worth the time, if you have a the time. We do tend to see people
more concern about what they get out of God than, God.
Kelly
Originally posted by wolfgang59You have hit the nail squarely on the head, Wolfgang.
Surely you would not want to make one not of your liking? It seems that
everyone has their own interpretation of their religion and because of that
every theist has their own personal god.
That is the fundamental reason for all the differences in religions - we go and pick and chose until we find a god to our liking!
And then we spend the rest of our time trying to convince everybody else that we, and we alone, are right!
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Originally posted by galveston75[Of course I dont believe in your God, but to humour you] ....
Are all of you happy with the way he has God performed over the centuries or has he not met up with any of your expectations?
I'm not all that sure exactly what has been going on "over the centuries", as I reckon history to possibly be largely false.
As for my life time on this rock and what I have experienced , I would say that if I had've been born 20 years earlier I may well have been beaten to death in the outback somewhere.
I seem to talk a lot and truthfully and at times it irritates the hell out of people.
Even my build has helped me avoid much trouble.
I was impressed with the way we got through the eighties, with so much over indulgence and not a care for the planet.
But 2001 was a real bummer.
First year to a new millenium and what "happens" ?
The twin towers get anihalated by 2 planes.
An absolute tragic and very regrettable start to a new millenium with so many possibilities starting to open up for so many ordinary people, a lot seems to have been set back on 9/11
Originally posted by menace71Let me ask you this and this is the very center of our ( humans ) situation from Adam till now.
No......I would not be so presumptuous to ever change God or wish he was different.....That being said I don't understand why God has allowed suffering and all but I also believe that God will eventually right all wrongs
Manny
If God had just destroyed satan and killed Adam and Eve and just started all over with new humans, what would that have proved to all watching? I'm referring to all the angels?
Because if he had we would no doubt still be living in that paradise that God had told Adam to spread earthwide for all to live in. That would have been great for us now and there would be no suffering. Right?
The catch point here is what satan said to Eve at Gen 3:1-5?
Genesis 3:1-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’”
4 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
So in the simplest terms, what was satan saying about God ans accusing him of?
Originally posted by galveston75You think god is worried about what others (the angels) think?
Let me ask you this and this is the very center of our ( humans ) situation from Adam till now.
If God had just destroyed satan and killed Adam and Eve and just started all over with new humans, what would that have proved to all watching? I'm referring to all the angels?
He is paranoid about Gabriel and Michael talking behind his back?
funny stuff
Originally posted by wolfgang59You need to think on this a little more.
You think god is worried about what others (the angels) think?
He is paranoid about Gabriel and Michael talking behind his back?
funny stuff
If you see no need for absolute justice and fairess and not wanting the issues to come up ever again then that's fine for you. But that's not the way God's justice works.
Originally posted by galveston75I get God's justice and I understand what you are saying....I guess my point is God is sovereign is all I'm saying.....He will do what He wills
Let me ask you this and this is the very center of our ( humans ) situation from Adam till now.
If God had just destroyed satan and killed Adam and Eve and just started all over with new humans, what would that have proved to all watching? I'm referring to all the angels?
Because if he had we would no doubt still be living in that paradise that God h ...[text shortened]... od and evil.”
So in the simplest terms, what was satan saying about God ans accusing him of?
Manny
Originally posted by galveston751. No I don't.
1. You need to think on this a little more.
2. If you see no need for absolute justice and fairess and not wanting the issues to come up ever again then that's fine for you.
3. But that's not the way God's justice works.
2. If I did yes, but I don't.
3. It doesn't work at all ... does it?