On the contrary, I have a Biblical reference for every single assertion. I wont have the Biblical message sullied with any talk of mingling, esoteric mysticism or extra biblical neo platonic paganism.
I know that you have supporting references. I did not say you had none.
I said that the teaching is superficial. In other words is it on the surface and not too deep.
The message is succinct, clear, free from specialist in-house terms which lead to
confusion and require a definition ( i have provided those where I felt it necessary)
It is succunct now. But wait until you jump through the hoops to talk about 144,000. Wait until you deny the incarnation of God in Jesus. Wait until you speak of many other things that have to come along with Watchtower teaching.
Then the message is extremely "in-house."
and of which the layman may have little knowledge of. Christ's own teaching is
exemplified by a sublime simplicity.
I do not believe the clergy / laity system is valid. So the term layman I do not use. I believe in the priesthood of every believer and no meditorial class of clergy or a laity of commoners in the church.
Yes, simplicity is often the hallmark of Christ's words. I would not argue with that.
However, to be totally fair, many of His utterances were not that simple. And we really should embrace both.
For example the prayer of Jesus in John 17
is not that simple but is profound. And we should regard it certainly as crucial in that it reveals what is really on His heart.
That includes profound words like this -
"That they all may be one, even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me.
And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one,
I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one ..." (John 17:21-23a)
These are profound words Robbie. They are much more than just a request that man live on a happy Eden like earth. They are deeper than a petition to the Father that the earth be a Paradise garden where no one ever grows old and dies.
That the believers in Christ may be one even as the Father and the Son are one. That is one is life, one in nature, one in expression, one in glory.
Do not say this is all "in-house" or esoteric for the sake of being esoteric. This is the prayer request of the Son of God. The glory that the Father gives the Son the Son gives to His believers. Do you think this is a small matter?
" ... that they also may be in Us ..."
It is one matter to have a garden like planet where all are happy and live everlastingly. It is a much more profound matter that Christ would desire that man would be in the Divine "Us"
So I don't say all that you wrote is wrong. Neither do I say you have no supporting passages from the Bible. I say let us look deeper into the purpose of God and not just superficially at what makes for a happy mankind.
Gods original purpose has not changed,
Notice Robbie. There is the kingdom prepared FROM the foundation of the world(Matt. 25:34)
. But there is something more. That is the purpose of God to have sons "BEFORE the foundation of the world" (Eph. 1:4,5)
From the foundation of the world is wonderful.
Before the foundation of the world is more wonderful.
The nations walking in the light of the holy city New Jerusalem is wonderful.
But the New Jerusalem itself is more wonderful.
The kingdom on the Edenic earth is a plan from the foundation of the world.
But the desire for Godmen as sons of God is the eternal purpose before the foundation of the world.
"Even as He chose us in Him BEFORE the foundation of the world to be holy and without vlemish before Him in love,
predestinating us to SONSHIP through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will ..." (Eph. 1:4-5)
The nations being healed by the leaves of the tree of life are not the sons of God. But they are everlastingly blessed as you desire. And they enjoy a new heaven and a new earth.
But the holy city New Jerusalem is the tabernacle of God, the dwelling place of God in spirit, the house of God where God lives in man and man lives in God.
This is the pleasure of His heart from BEFORE the foundation of the world.
Did they ever tell you that down at the kingdom hall?
The "city" is the mingling of God and man as the Bride and Wife of the incarnated, crucified, resurrected and glorified Godman Christ.
if so, can you demonstrate to me from the sacred text where it has, thank you in advance and you are quite wrong about the watchtower teaching concerning the paradise, but this of course is not a discussion about the watchtower publication, its about the Bible, why you seek to introduce it is
known only to you.
It is not known only to me by any means.
However, you are quite right that the Bible should be our guide.
Now I want to ask you a question. Tell me what you think.
Do you think that Adam ever ate of the tree of life ?
We know he ate of the forbidden fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
Do you think that Adam ever partook of fruit of "the tree of life"
If so how do you go about to prove that for me?
If not, then don't you think as happy as adam and eve were before the fall, there was something missing in their fulfillment of the purpose of God ?
Your replies to these specific questions please.