Originally posted by amannionI will agree with one thing and that is that faith comes by hearing. At least, this is a Biblical truth. For example, you have heard your entire life that the Artic exists and you believe it. However, get a few naysayers out their saying otherwise and your faith gradually is put on trial. I think everyones faith needs to be put on trial. We need to know what we believe and why we believe it.
No, I was, as would most of us be in the christian world. But if I was born in Afghanistan or Pakistan or somewhere else (and assuming I was still alive today) I'd be spouting on about Muhammed. And if it was Israel I'd be talking the finer points of the Torah.
I don't get too swept up in self righteous christianity when the only thing that governs your belief is the postcode (that'll be zip code in the US) of your birth.
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Originally posted by TheSkipperThanks. But why can't you respect me AND believe what I say is true?
Sorry mate, you have actually thought through your belief system. I can think you are incorrect and still have respect for you (which I do), but this mind numbing mantra these kids repeat over and over again is entirely unworthy of respect.
Originally posted by whodeyWell, its not as if I think you're lying. I'm sure it is quite true for you, and to the extent your truth causes you happieness and fulfillment...great! It just isn't true for me, I've tried, it didn't take.
Thanks. But why can't you respect me AND believe what I say is true?
Originally posted by TheSkipperYou're not supposed to "try" , you're supposed to let God 'take hold' of you ...which is actually harder than trying. You cannot have faith by your own will power , only the by the power of the Spirit.
Well, its not as if I think you're lying. I'm sure it is quite true for you, and to the extent your truth causes you happieness and fulfillment...great! It just isn't true for me, I've tried, it didn't take.
Originally posted by whodeyI agree completely.
I will agree with one thing and that is that faith comes by hearing. At least, this is a Biblical truth. For example, you have heard your entire life that the Artic exists and you believe it. However, get a few naysayers out their saying otherwise and your faith gradually is put on trial. I think everyones faith needs to be put on trial. We need to know what we believe and why we believe it.
Originally posted by amannionDoesn't this actually say more about how YOU form your beliefs than anything else. I was brought up an Atheist but the truth still found a way. If you feel that you would have succumbed to whatever cultural brainwashing you were exposed to then it's a comment on you not others.
No, I was, as would most of us be in the christian world. But if I was born in Afghanistan or Pakistan or somewhere else (and assuming I was still alive today) I'd be spouting on about Muhammed. And if it was Israel I'd be talking the finer points of the Torah.
I don't get too swept up in self righteous christianity when the only thing that governs your belief is the postcode (that'll be zip code in the US) of your birth.
Originally posted by knightmeisterWell in the end all we can talk about is how our own beliefs form, that's true.
Doesn't this actually say more about how YOU form your beliefs than anything else. I was brought up an Atheist but the truth still found a way. If you feel that you would have succumbed to whatever cultural brainwashing you were exposed to then it's a comment on you not others.
But obviously the people in this forum are not going to be truly representative of belief systems across the world, since we're the ones who are thrashing it all - we're self selected to be passionate about our positions.
What I'm saying is that people tend to have the faith of the culture they're born into - but clearly you and I and many others are exceptions to that. Perhaps exceptions that prove the rule?
Is it likely, for example, that the next pope will come from India or China or Afghanistan? No, of course not. It's not impossible, but the large majority of people in those places aren't catholic. But why should that be if any religious faith has as much strength as any other?
In an ideal world, people would choose the faith that suits them from the complete range of possible faiths. But we don't live in that world do we. You get what you're given.
Why are you a christian? You were brought up an atheist you say, but why choose christianity as opposed to say Bahai? I would guess because you live in a society that is largely christian. You are exposed to christian beliefs, but not to many others.
Originally posted by amannionI'm a christian because I wanted to know the truth , I sought the truth and sought it earnestly and passionately. God saw this and met me half way along the road.
Well in the end all we can talk about is how our own beliefs form, that's true.
But obviously the people in this forum are not going to be truly representative of belief systems across the world, since we're the ones who are thrashing it all - we're self selected to be passionate about our positions.
What I'm saying is that people tend to have the faith o ...[text shortened]... hat is largely christian. You are exposed to christian beliefs, but not to many others.
Originally posted by amannionWhat used to sound like nonsense to me now I know to be true. See, not so long ago I was like you, a skeptic. My eyes and ears have been opened and now I know the truth. I'm a relatively new Christian.
What exactly have you experienced?
And what exactly do you mean by being opened to the truth?