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    10 May '14 21:26
    Originally posted by yoctobyte
    Nobody has had the courage to face them seriously.


    Maybe is less about courage and more about wisdom.
    maybe not
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    10 May '14 22:14
    Originally posted by yoctobyte
    Nobody has had the courage to face them seriously.


    Maybe is less about courage and more about wisdom.
    If the theists get any wiser, this is going to become a skeptics-only forum. 😛
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    11 May '14 01:45
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    We all look up to people; parents, friends, teachers, scientists etc.

    But there could be things they would do that would change our opinion.

    What would change your opinion of your god?
    What is known about God comes from God.

    You won't get it.
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    11 May '14 03:44
    Originally posted by josephw
    What is known about God comes from God.

    You won't get it.
    No it doesn't.

    I have
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    11 May '14 04:09
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    We all look up to people; parents, friends, teachers, scientists etc.

    But there could be things they would do that would change our opinion.

    What would change your opinion of your god?
    Nothing!! I know Him, and He knows me.
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    11 May '14 04:15
    Originally posted by Pudgenik
    Nothing!! I know Him, and He knows me.
    That shows how much thought you have put into your belief.
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    11 May '14 04:24
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    That shows how much thought you have put into your belief.
    You need to look in the mirror
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    11 May '14 04:36
    Originally posted by Pudgenik
    You need to look in the mirror
    Granted my hair is a mess,
    but looking in the mirror will not help you.
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    11 May '14 04:41
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Granted my hair is a mess,
    but looking in the mirror will not help you.
    if you only knew
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    11 May '14 04:45
    Originally posted by Pudgenik
    if you only knew
    knew what?
    enlighten me.
    impart some knowledge
    and I mean KNOWLEDGE, something that is KNOWN
    educate me O Wise One!
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    11 May '14 05:07
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    knew what?
    enlighten me.
    impart some knowledge
    and I mean KNOWLEDGE, something that is KNOWN
    educate me O Wise One!
    You do not have the faith. It is easy for you to mock what you think you know. But the truth is, you do not comprehend.

    You are like the soldiers who tortured Jesus. It was your job, maybe it was fun for you, maybe it was a compitition between you and your friends.

    "Forgive them Father, they know not what they do"
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    11 May '14 07:18
    Originally posted by Pudgenik
    You do not have the faith.
    It is easy for you to mock what you think you know.
    But the truth is, you do not comprehend.

    You are like the soldiers who tortured Jesus. It was your job, maybe it was fun for you, maybe it was a compitition between you and your friends.

    "Forgive them Father, they know not what they do"
    Correct I do not have faith.
    I am not mocking.
    There is a lot I do not comprehend.
    I am nothing like anyone who would torture anyone and find that rather insulting.

    Now go back and answer some questions rather than just replying.
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    11 May '14 08:581 edit
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Many of my recent threads have been asking theists to examine
    their god. I am by-passing the question of existence and asking
    why worship, why do you think he is good, what would make
    you stop worshipping etc. All valid questions.

    Nobody has had the courage to face them seriously.

    Your reply is no different.
    Courage doesn't enter into it.

    The question is nonsensical and blasphemous.
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    11 May '14 16:44
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    No it doesn't.

    I have
    You first asked, "what would make your god imperfect?", and "what would change your opinion of your god?"

    I answered, "what is known about God comes from God". You answered "no it doesn't". I'm assuming you mean that what is known about God comes from another source.

    Like from where? From where else do you learn about God? From listening to other humans? From talking to trees? Do the stars whisper to you in the night?

    But all that aside, let's go back to the original question. My answer, apparently,
    didn't strike a chord in you. The inference was, since what I know about God comes from God, then it would only be logical that if my opinion of God were to change it would have to be caused by God, and that any other cause would be arbitrary and unreliable.

    The same can be said about what is known about God, that it must needs be from God, otherwise the cause or source would be arbitrary and unreliable.

    Just trying to get through. What else do you want me to do? Be an ass and argue with you about it? Just sayin'!
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    11 May '14 17:431 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Courage doesn't enter into it.

    The question is nonsensical and blasphemous.
    Once again religious tells us we are not supposed to think too hard about it. 😕

    How do you faithful deal with this limit on your intellect? It drove me bonkers when I was a Christian, back in the day.
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