What's wrong with evolution?

Originally posted by Conrau K
There is no reason why our brains could have evolved into their present form. There is no reason why evolution can't produce complexity. Do you have a better theory then evolution?

Have you seen it occur to that degree? Is just saying it enough
for you know that there is no reason why it shouldn't happen
to that degree?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Have you seen it occur to that degree? Is just saying it enough
for you know that there is no reason why it shouldn't happen
to that degree?
Kelly

What are inhaling?

We make inferences. We know that evolution could produce a brain, so we infer that evolution did produce the brain.

Originally posted by Conrau K
What are inhaling?

We make inferences. We know that evolution could produce a brain, so we infer that evolution did produce the brain.

Yes you do, you make inferences! You believe one thing to be true
so you move on and pronounce another to be true, a nice set of
dots you have there!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes you do, you make inferences! You believe one thing to be true
so you move on and pronounce another to be true, a nice set of
dots you have there!
Kelly

If you have a better dot to connect it to then present the evidence.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes you do, you make inferences! You believe one thing to be true
so you move on and pronounce another to be true, a nice set of
dots you have there!
Kelly

What is it with you and dots?
Were you abused by dots in your youth?
Have you ahd a bad experience with some evild dots or something?

Connecting dots is exactly what scientists do. When they make a hypothesis about why or how some particular thing occurs they connect dots. When they collect evidence in support or otherwise of their hypothesis they connect dots. When they publish their results to the wider scientific and general community they connect dots.
What's the freakin' problem?

If you have a better hypothesis then tell us about it.
But until you do all your whining about connecting the dots and whatever else is doing nothing but waste time. Evolution by natural selection is the best current hypothesis for describing the development of the variety of species on Earth. We have no other that works as well or has as much suppporting evidence. It fails to explain the origin of life but that's not what it was a hypothesis for anyway.

As I said in post number 1 for this thread - what's the problem?

Originally posted by amannion
What is it with you and dots?
Were you abused by dots in your youth?
Have you ahd a bad experience with some evild dots or something?

Connecting dots is exactly what scientists do. When they make a hypothesis about why or how some particular thing occurs they connect dots. When they collect evidence in support or otherwise of their hypothesis they conn ...[text shortened]... a hypothesis for anyway.

As I said in post number 1 for this thread - what's the problem?

Originally posted by amannion
What is it with you and dots?
Were you abused by dots in your youth?
Have you ahd a bad experience with some evild dots or something?

Yea, those evil smiley faces creep me out. 🙂


I understand connecting the dots is what scientist do, I think it is
the best way to attempt to understand every thing as well; believe it
or not; however, when the chain of dots has at its foundation things
that cannot be proven wrong; it means the whole structure must be
'believed in', 'taken on faith', it isn't reality as some want to portray.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Originally posted by amannion
[b]What is it with you and dots?
Were you abused by dots in your youth?
Have you ahd a bad experience with some evild dots or something?

Yea, those evil smiley faces creep me out. 🙂


I understand connecting the dots is what scientist do, I think it is
the best way to attempt to understand every thing as w ...[text shortened]... must be
'believed in', 'taken on faith', it isn't reality as some want to portray.
Kelly[/b]

So lets go thhrough the details again. Having followed this thread from beginning to end I am interested to know what you think cannot be proven despite the ample evidence supplied to you?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Originally posted by amannion
[b]What is it with you and dots?
Were you abused by dots in your youth?
Have you ahd a bad experience with some evild dots or something?

Yea, those evil smiley faces creep me out. 🙂


I understand connecting the dots is what scientist do, I think it is
the best way to attempt to understand every thing as w ...[text shortened]... must be
'believed in', 'taken on faith', it isn't reality as some want to portray.
Kelly[/b]

Okay that's progress.
So evolution has things that can't be proven. I disagree and would be keen for you to explain what these are.

But I concede that it might be possible for an hypothesis to have features that are unprovable at particular times (eg. now). If the hypothesis still fits all current observations and evidence, and if there are no competing hypotheses that fit the observations and evidence better, then it would still be accepted as the best to date. And keep in mind that in the end, this is all any scientific hypothesis can be - the best we have yet.
It's possible that evolution might be replaced or superceded - perhaps in the way that Relativity Theory has superceded Newton's Laws. That would require problems with the theory to arise, and for these problems to be unable to be reconciled with the current theory. Nothing like that occurs at the moment with evolution.

Originally posted by amannion
Okay that's progress.
So evolution has things that can't be proven. I disagree and would be keen for you to explain what these are.

But I concede that it might be possible for an hypothesis to have features that are unprovable at particular times (eg. now). If the hypothesis still fits all current observations and evidence, and if there are no competing ...[text shortened]... e reconciled with the current theory. Nothing like that occurs at the moment with evolution.

Anyone see that paper about one of the heat shock proteins I think tit was hsp90 being a morphologic capacitor for molecular evolution. I remember one line in it that struck me. I will find and put it on. Check this out from pubmed for all your sciencey needs. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=PubMed
Lindquist is a genius! Hurray!

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Originally posted by micarr
Anyone see that paper about one of the heat shock proteins I think tit was hsp90 being a morphologic capacitor for molecular evolution. I remember one line in it that struck me. I will find and put it on. Check this out from pubmed for all your sciencey needs. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=PubMed
Lindquist is a genius! Hurray! ...[text shortened]... .
Semin Cell Dev Biol. 2003 Oct;14(5):301-10.
PMID: 14986860 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

I really dont know how to respond to this.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes you do, you make inferences! You believe one thing to be true
so you move on and pronounce another to be true, a nice set of
dots you have there!
Kelly

KellyJay, how do you explain the mutation of viruses from one set of attributes to another? We see viruses go from being more or less benign to absolute virulence, what do you call that? Is the devil in charge of bad mutations and god does the good mutations? Tell me.

Originally posted by sonhouse
KellyJay, how do you explain the mutation of viruses from one set of attributes to another? We see viruses go from being more or less benign to absolute virulence, what do you call that? Is the devil in charge of bad mutations and god does the good mutations? Tell me.

Good point! or mimivirus for that matter cough cough go pubmed mimivirus and the literature is not so big (apologies about that but fascinating!) scottishinnz knows the way! Plants have chaperones too I guess.

Originally posted by micarr
Good point! or mimivirus for that matter cough cough go pubmed mimivirus and the literature is not so big (apologies about that but fascinating!) scottishinnz knows the way! Plants have chaperones too I guess.

Again, I have no idea what you're saying.