In a prayer to the Most Holy Theotokos, we can read the lines:
I sing of thy grace, O Sovereign Lady, and I pray thee to grace my mind. Teach me to step aright in the way of Christ's commandments. Strengthen me to keep awake in song, and drive away the sleep of despondency. O Bride of God, by thy prayers release me, bound with the bonds of sin. Guard me by night and by day, and deliver me from foes that defeat me. O bearer of God the Life-giver, enliven me who am deadened by passions...
In many of these classical prayers, there are references to people being deadened by passions.
This stands in stark contrast with many of us moderns who view passion as a positive thing. It implies some profound expression of the self. However, much of our passions are not like this at all but rather represent a connection with a powerful, emotional force that rests within us.
We certainly shouldn't be dead to our emotions, but what is logical about being allowed to be controlled by these emotions and passions? Nothing.
Indeed, much of these celebrated passions, I would contend, may even go back to the erotic and selfish desires within us and are not actually positive expressions, and it is all of us who are deadened by passions and not actually enlivened by them.
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Originally posted by @philokaliaInteresting observation. Paul advises us to walk in the Spirit so we yield the fruit of the Spirit, and none of the Spirit’s fruit could be mistaken for what we think of passion today.
In a prayer to the Most Holy Theotokos, we can read the lines:
[quote]I sing of thy grace, O Sovereign Lady, and I pray thee to grace my mind. Teach me to step aright in the way of Christ's commandments. Strengthen me to keep awake in song, and drive away the sleep of despondency. O Bride of God, by thy prayers release me, bound with the bonds of sin. ...[text shortened]... xpressions, and it is all of us who are deadened by passions and not actually enlivened by them.
Is that prayer from the Bible? If so, which book and chapter?
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Originally posted by @romans1009“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Interesting observation. Paul advises us to walk in the Spirit so we yield the fruit of the Spirit, and none of the Spirit’s fruit could be mistaken for what we think of passion today.
Is that prayer from the Bible? If so, which book and chapter?
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”
(Galatians 5:22-23)
Many of the fruits would seem to be the opposite of what we normally think of as passion.
Originally posted by @philokaliaEvolutionally, this type of "dead" person gets selected out. 😛
Indeed, much of these celebrated passions, I would contend, may even go back to the erotic and selfish desires within us and are not actually positive expressions, and it is all of us who are deadened by passions and not actually enlivened by them.
From this standpoint, you are dead wrong; erotic passion literally enlivened all of us.
Those types of Puritan attitudes are overcompensation caused by regret at the occasional losses of control. It is cutting off the leg because you kicked someone with it once, not caring that without it, you can no longer walk.
Originally posted by @philokaliaOur passions free us to be individuals.
In a prayer to the Most Holy Theotokos, we can read the lines:
[quote]I sing of thy grace, O Sovereign Lady, and I pray thee to grace my mind. Teach me to step aright in the way of Christ's commandments. Strengthen me to keep awake in song, and drive away the sleep of despondency. O Bride of God, by thy prayers release me, bound with the bonds of sin. ...[text shortened]... xpressions, and it is all of us who are deadened by passions and not actually enlivened by them.
03 Mar 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaToo many things are wrong [contrary to the bible] in that post.
In a prayer to the Most Holy Theotokos, we can read the lines:
[quote]I sing of thy grace, O Sovereign Lady, and I pray thee to grace my mind. Teach me to step aright in the way of Christ's commandments. Strengthen me to keep awake in song, and drive away the sleep of despondency. O Bride of God, by thy prayers release me, bound with the bonds of sin. ...[text shortened]... xpressions, and it is all of us who are deadened by passions and not actually enlivened by them.
If I were you I would exit that church immediately.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterSome passions are sinful, not all passions are. I think we may well be 'deadened' by sinful passions.
Our passions free us to be individuals.
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03 Mar 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhat are some passions that are not sinful, in your view?
Some passions are sinful, not all passions are. I think we may well be 'deadened' by sinful passions.
03 Mar 18
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemTantra you say?
Evolutionally, this type of "dead" person gets selected out. 😛
From this standpoint, you are dead wrong; erotic passion literally enlivened all of us.
Those types of Puritan attitudes are overcompensation caused by regret at the occasional losses of control. It is cutting off the leg because you kicked someone with it once, not caring that without it, you can no longer walk.
03 Mar 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYou got any original quotes?
"We must act out passion before we can feel it."
Jean-Paul Sartre