who are the 144,000?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no, its a very specific number and is in contrast to a great crowd, which no man was able to number, revelation 7:9

I disagree. If the the number is literal then the people are literal, only Jews

Originally posted by duecer
I disagree. If the the number is literal then the people are literal, only Jews

The Jews would have been the first choise (even though some were still included) but because of loosing favor with God they lost that privledge. Sorry I'm not at home to show that scripture to you but will later..

Originally posted by duecer
I disagree. If the the number is literal then the people are literal, only Jews

The Jews would have been the first choise (even though some were still included) but because of loosing favor with God they lost that privledge. Sorry I'm not at home to show that scripture to you but will later..

Originally posted by galveston75
The Jews would have been the first choise (even though some were still included) but because of loosing favor with God they lost that privledge. Sorry I'm not at home to show that scripture to you but will later..

Sorry for the double post. My computers going wacky.

Originally posted by galveston75
Sorry for the double post. My computers going wacky.

used to happen to my old laptop all the time

Originally posted by duecer
used to happen to my old laptop all the time

These things are great but I'd like to run over mine with the car most of the time...Lol

Originally posted by duecer
I disagree. If the the number is literal then the people are literal, only Jews

is this the sole basis that you assert your claim, that if the number is literal then so are the people despite my references, as you wish!

Originally posted by galveston75
????? Thanks for this info but what does it have to do with the 144,000? Just asking.

There are a couple numbers your missing but good job except for the trinity thing..

More than a couple. I was only talking about 7,4,3,1 and 12. It was by no means exhaustive.


It is hopless for you to try to eliminate the trinity from the Bible.

Hopeless. The Triune God is everywhere in the New Testament. And the Triune God is in quite a few places in the Old Testament as well.

Originally posted by jaywill
More than a couple. I was only talking about 7,4,3,1 and 12. It was by no means exhaustive.


It is hopless for you to try to eliminate the trinity from the Bible.

Hopeless. The Triune God is everywhere in the New Testament. And the Triune God is in quite a few places in the Old Testament as well.

haha, its so well known that neither Christ nor Paul makes reference to it, no not once, not anywhere, nor at any-time, never ever ever ever ever. it was as unknown then as it is now!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
haha, its so well known that neither Christ nor Paul makes reference to it, no not once, not anywhere, nor at any-time, never ever ever ever ever. it was as unknown then as it is now!

If you mean the word trinity is not mentioned, I agree.

But the fact that there is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit in the Bible is the solid proof that the concept of the Triune God is biblical.

The word "trinity" appears nowhere in the Bible. The fact is there everywhere.

If you are a Jehovah's Witness, this video is directed to you. You are invited to watch.

CARM - Christian Apolegetics Research Ministry


http://www.youtube.com/carmvideos#play/all/A2AD170EBC6920FD-all/2/WiDy3Ivo1mg

lutheranism
Arianism (JW's follow this theology)
Calvinism
Methodism
Augastinianism
Uniterianism
Trinitarianism


These are schools of theology, including the JW's, so of course they are not mentioned. Yours is a straw man argument. Your better than that.

Originally posted by jaywill
If you mean the word [b]trinity is not mentioned, I agree.

But the fact that there is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit in the Bible is the solid proof that the concept of the Triune God is biblical.

The word "trinity" appears nowhere in the Bible. The fact is there everywhere.[/b]

oh Jaywill please, there is God the Father, Christ the son and the Holy Spirit. If you want to believe that these three distinct entities are part of a triune God, then be my guest!

Originally posted by jaywill
If you are a Jehovah's Witness, this video is directed to you. You are invited to watch.

[b] CARM - Christian Apolegetics Research Ministry


http://www.youtube.com/carmvideos#play/all/A2AD170EBC6920FD-all/2/WiDy3Ivo1mg[/b]

is this directed at me? if so i would prefer a member of Christendom came to discuss it at my home, you know as the Christ and the apostle Paul practised, rather than impersonally making a video. don't you treat people as individuals rather than 'things', that need to be managed?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
oh Jaywill please, there is God the Father, Christ the son and the Holy Spirit. If you want to believe that these three distinct entities are part of a triune God, then be my guest!

So the Holy Spirit is seperate from God?