Originally posted by jaywillYou know Jay, we do know and accept what Jesus did with his ransome sacrifice and it will give all humans the opportunity to regain what was lost by Adam exactly as how the bible describes it. Their is nothing more important that God and Jesus could have done for us all.
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hakyou Jaywill you have confirmed what i already knew, in what a complete and utter waste of time it is discussing the trinity. i will discuss it no further, if anyone else wants to learn what the holy spirit is, i have posted a comprehensive text on the matter. thakyou but i have better things to do with my time. ...[text shortened]... ne King Jehovah INTO OUR BEING.
Have you let Jesus put God into your being ?
But don't let this desire you so strongly have in you to let everyone know that you have Christ in you and that your saved, make you think that just in case you believe in a subject that we keep discussing here such as the Trinity could be wrong.. it doesn't really matter because I'm saved and have the lord in me and that's all I really need.
That could be a fatal mistake because the Bible many times over says that God only accepts worship that is truthful and pure.....
My opinion of you Jay is your way too smart to be fooled by such things as the Trinity. I mean that as a compliment.....
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You know Jay, we do know and accept what Jesus did with his ransome sacrifice and it will give all humans the opportunity to regain what was lost by Adam exactly as how the bible describes it. Their is nothing more important that God and Jesus could have done for us all.
But don't let this desire you so strongly have in you to let everyone know that yo ...[text shortened]... r way too smart to be fooled by such things as the Trinity. I mean that as a compliment.....
But don't let this desire you so strongly have in you to let everyone know that you have Christ in you and that your saved, make you think that just in case you believe in a subject that we keep discussing here such as the Trinity could be wrong.. it doesn't really matter because I'm saved and have the lord in me and that's all I really need.
That could be a fatal mistake because the Bible many times over says that God only accepts worship that is truthful and pure.....
My opinion of you Jay is your way too smart to be fooled by such things as the Trinity. I mean that as a compliment.....
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It is important to see beyond simply my personal need to touch the eternal purpose of God.
God dispensing of Himself into man is important not just for the individual's salvation. It is important to the eternal purpose of and the defeat of His enemy Satan.
So it may seem to some unnecessary to emphasize the matter of Christ living in us. But the New Testament itself emphasises the matter for the sake of revealing God's purpose.
It is more than the matter of what meets my need. But it is crucial to the matter of what meets God's need.
Originally posted by jaywillThanks for your viewpoint...
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But don't let this desire you so strongly have in you to let everyone know that you have Christ in you and that your saved, make you think that just in case you believe in a subject that we keep discussing here such as the Trinity could be wrong.. it doesn't really matter because I'm saved and have the lord in me and tha ...[text shortened]... e matter of what meets my need. But it is crucial to the matter of what meets God's need.
Originally posted by galveston75Why do you think that an angel could accomplish eternal redemption for sinners ?
Thanks for your viewpoint...
Why do you believe that an angel becoming a man, could accomplish an atoning redemption for man ?
The New Testament says that it was God's blood that purchased the church. So this man who died was God incarnated.
" ... shepherd the church of God which He obtained with His own blood." (Acts 20:28)
Originally posted by jaywillIt's not an angel that was needed. It was a perfect human life that was needed in exchange for what Adam lost for us all.
Why do you think that an angel could accomplish eternal redemption for sinners ?
Why do you believe that an angel becoming a man, could accomplish an atoning redemption for man ?
The New Testament says that it was God's blood that purchased the church. So this man who died was God incarnated.
[b]" ... shepherd the church of God which He obtained with His own blood." (Acts 20:28) [/b]
Originally posted by galveston75No human could be perfect. Well....Hummm a perfect human? Unless just maybe that Human was God incarnate? According to the scriptures no human is without sin right? So either Christ was a human with sin or ?
It's not an angel that was needed. It was a perfect human life that was needed in exchange for what Adam lost for us all.
10 as it is written,
"THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE
Manny
Originally posted by menace71So God would not have the power to transfer his Son into an earthly woman and have the power to or knowledge make him perfect? Hmmmm.
No human could be perfect. Well....Hummm a perfect human? Unless just maybe that Human was God incarnate? According to the scriptures no human is without sin right? So either Christ was a human with sin or ?
10 as it is written,
"THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE
Manny
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So you agree then that Jesus was in deed a human being? That He was born of a women. If Christ however is just another human being Not a special Human being than He would have a sinful nature. However if Christ is perfect than you have a contradiction there because only God is perfect right? Or maybe Christ is more than some want to admit.
Manny
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Originally posted by galveston75you are battling against not only prejudice, but ignorance as well my friend, for it is obvious that these persons do not know anything with regard to your belief about who the person of Christ is and how special he is with regard to the outworking of Gods purposes. Christ was sinless, that is easy enough, that sin is also imperfection is also readily understood, why this should mean that Christ is God i do not know, for it is impossible for God to die, yet some insist on asserting that this was the case? your patience in trying to assist others in their understanding is also worthy of commendation, despite their depredations.
So God would not have the power to transfer his Son into an earthly woman and have the power to or knowledge make him perfect? Hmmmm.
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It's not an angel that was needed. It was a perfect human life that was needed in exchange for what Adam lost for us all.
It's not an angel that was needed. It was a perfect human life that was needed in exchange for what Adam lost for us all.
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But Acts 20:28 says " ... shepherd the church of God which He obtained with His own blood."
If God obtained the church with God's blood, doesn't that indicate that the man was God ?
That Christ obtained the church with God's blood would agree with the "child born" in Isaiah 9:6 being Jehovah the Mighty God. Wouldn't it ?
For Psalm 50:1 says "The Mighty One, God Jehovah, Speaks and summons the earth ..."
So isn't God obtaining the church with His own blood consistent with the Mighty God (Jehovah) being born as a human child, living this perfect human life and dying ?
Am also reading a discussion that it would not be righteous for a third party to incur the loss of what was owed by a second party, man, to a first party, God.
This writer is saying that the power of redemption is not that an innocent third party came in to pay something not owed by Him. But it us that the owed party God, came in to pay, taking the loss upon Himself in the form of incarnation as a man.
Let's discuss that a little. You say God laid hold of an angel who became a perfect man and He died to redeem the sinners. I say that it was God Himself as a man which makes the significance of His act have eternal power and effectiveness.
Paul said God obtained the church with His own blood.
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Originally posted by galveston75If a perfect God can express Himself in terms of perfect and ultimate authority, could He not also, if He desired, express Himself as perfect submission and ultimate obedience to authority as well ?
So God would not have the power to transfer his Son into an earthly woman and have the power to or knowledge make him perfect? Hmmmm.
On Acts 20:28:
Some English translations say "the blood of His own" and "own (son)" is there understanding. J.N. Darby, I think, followed that rendering.
"God" is mentioned in verse 27, verse 24 (where the Lord Jesus is also mentioned), verse 21 (with the Lord Jesus).
I follow the RcV "the church of God, which He obtained with His own blood."
www.recoveryversion.org
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI know Robbie. I keep hoping that something will get thru to someone here. The Bible makes it so clear that as time goes on the light of the truth would get brighter and brighter which we know it has but Satan has got them all stuck in old beliefs with no progress in site. Part of the progress of the light or truth getting brighter is realizing that pagan teachings would be exposed and realized by the right heart condition. The confusion that they have should not be there if the light was brighter for them. Maybe someday something will snap in them and finally help them to see. We know that God looks for ones looking for the truth. If they aren't looking then it will never be found.
you are battling against not only prejudice, but ignorance as well my friend, for it is obvious that these persons do not know anything with regard to your belief about who the person of Christ is and how special he is with regard to the outworking of Gods purposes. Christ was sinless, that is easy enough, that sin is also imperfection is also readi ...[text shortened]... assist others in their understanding is also worthy of commendation, despite their depredations.
And I know by things that we've said and shown them from the scriptures and by comments they've made back, that there is confusion and doubt in them. It may be small but it's there. Maybe they should really listen to that and just maybe let their heart lead them in another direction. I hope so.....