@rajk999 saidThe thing is you are the denying Christ in favor of human efforts.
This is what Christianity is now. The ones who preach what Jesus preached are being abused and called impostor and hypocrite. The ones who deny the teachings of Christ and who depart from the true doctrine and faith of Christ are the true Christians.
@rajk999 saidWell, I'll make another "effort" to try and make you understand that there is a difference between what is salvation and what is sanctification and glorification.
Jesus said no such thing. Jesus wants people to make AN EFFORT TO FOLLOW HIS COMMANDMENTS. Your doctrine is Satanic nonsense.
One is saved by grace once and for all even at the point where they are a sinner, lost and an enemy.
Upon repentance, metanoia-to change one's mind, agree with God that he or she is a sinner in need of a savior, one is "born again". Saved. No works involved.
Sanctification comes next and takes a lifetime. One is not perfected by performance, and will not realize absolute perfection until glorified in the next life.
It's a biblical no-brainer.
You cannot earn salvation. Salvation is not a reward. It is a gift of God's grace.
Rewards for service, faithfulness and good works come in the next life.
Read your Bible. And whatever else you do don't read this post.
@secondson saidYou can make all the effort you like to preach false doctrines, they all fly over my head.
Well, I'll make another "effort" to try and make you understand that there is a difference between what is salvation and what is sanctification and glorification.
One is saved by grace once and for all even at the point where they are a sinner, lost and an enemy.
Upon repentance, metanoia-to change one's mind, agree with God that he or she is a sinner in need of a sa ...[text shortened]... good works come in the next life.
Read your Bible. And whatever else you do don't read this post.
First, Jesus said none of that. If he did please provide a reference. So your church doctrine is not the doctrine of Christ. I would be concerned about that if I were you.
Next, you are using the teachings of Paul and removing part of his teachings.
Yes, Saved by Grace, no works involved, But saved is not eternal life.
They are two different things.
Paul preached about saved Christians
Paul said that not all saved Christians will get eternal life
So you can rant on and on about your church sanctification and glorification. The fact is that not all saved Christians end up in the Kingdom of God. Some saved Christians defile themselves and are cast out and destroyed.
@rajk999 saidOur works are a byproduct of Christ changing us, God is conforming us into the image of Christ. This is done with God in our lives not us attempting to be good enough to please God. No one is saying we are not going to be doing works, just that it is Jesus not our efforts that save us.
You can make all the effort you like to preach false doctrines, they all fly over my head.
First, Jesus said none of that. If he did please provide a reference. So your church doctrine is not the doctrine of Christ. I would be concerned about that if I were you.
Next, you are using the teachings of Paul and removing part of his teachings.
Yes, Saved by Grace, no works ...[text shortened]... d up in the Kingdom of God. Some saved Christians defile themselves and are cast out and destroyed.
@kellyjay saidDid Jesus say any of this stuff?
Our works are a byproduct of Christ changing us, God is conforming us into the image of Christ. This is done with God in our lives not us attempting to be good enough to please God. No one is saying we are not going to be doing works, just that it is Jesus not our efforts that save us.
Our works are a byproduct of Christ changing us, NO!!!
God is conforming us into the image of Christ. NO!!!
This is done with God in our lives not us attempting to be good enough to please God. NO!!!
No one is saying we are not going to be doing works, just that it is Jesus not our efforts that save us. NO!!!
Dont you think its time to keep your Satanic nonsense doctrine to yourself?
The Kingdom of God will be populated with those that have abided in Christ and over come. Not those who have earned it on their own efforts, salvation is a supernatural event only possible due to the blood of Jesus Christ, which you reduce to human effort attempting to being pleasing to God by earning your way into God's Kingdom by your works.
@rajk999 saidRead the whole Bible.
Did Jesus say any of this stuff?
Our works are a byproduct of Christ changing us, NO!!!
God is conforming us into the image of Christ. NO!!!
This is done with God in our lives not us attempting to be good enough to please God. NO!!!
No one is saying we are not going to be doing works, just that it is Jesus not our efforts that save u ...[text shortened]... . NO!!!
Dont you think its time to keep your Satanic nonsense doctrine to yourself?
@kellyjay saidYou have be to most retarded poster here to think that the response 'read your bible' is appropriate.
Read the whole Bible.
With one mouth you promote your 'Lord Lord' mouth worshiping doctrine which was condemned by Christ. When asked where Jesus preached your church doctrine you are stumped and cannot respond in any intelligent fashion.
Maybe it is time you take a back seat and stop posting your garbage.
@rajk999 saidYou don't know the truth if you think human effort gets you right with God. It is a fantastic thing the love of Christ in the here and now. Pushing works over and instead of life in Christ is as close to mouth worship as you can get, your efforts, instead of the love of Christ, you worship with your mouth, and your heart is so far from Him. Tragically to your loss if you don't repent and turn to the Lord.
You have be to most retarded poster here to think that the response 'read your bible' is appropriate.
With one mouth you promote your 'Lord Lord' mouth worshiping doctrine which was condemned by Christ. When asked where Jesus preached your church doctrine you are stumped and cannot respond in any intelligent fashion.
Maybe it is time you take a back seat and stop posting your garbage.