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God hears the RIGHTEOUS
The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all. He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken. Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate. The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate. (Psalms 34:15-22 KJV)
01 Sep 19
@rajk999 saidAre YOU "righteous", Rajk?
God hears the RIGHTEOUS
The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as b ...[text shortened]... oul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate. (Psalms 34:15-22 KJV)
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The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous
Very good.
And did you read "Abram believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness"
Genesis 15:6 - "And he [Abram] believed Jehovah, and He accounted it to him as righteousness." See also Rom. 4:3; Gal. 3:6.
Was God wrong to account Abraham's belief in God as righteousness? Need He have come to check that out with you first ?
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So Psalm 34:15 certainly includes the Lord HEARING those who He has accounted righteuosness to them for believing God.
Is that ok with you Rajk999?
"The eyes of Jehovah are set toward the righteous, And His ears, toward their cry." (v.15)
And Abram believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. So God can hear his calling and crying out?
Is that ok with you rajk999?
So we can encourage belief that God is there and to reaching out in calling to Him. Is that ok with you ?
You know "But without faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to Him, for he who would come forward to God must believe that He is and is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him." (Heb. 11:6)
Better check and don't take for granted that I am quoting the NT rightly. I do make typos when typing from memory sometimes.
1.) Belief and Faith
2.) Accounted as righteousness
3.) God is hearing their cry.
Are you saying that it is possible to be well pleasing to God and it has nothing whatsoever to do with faith ?
01 Sep 19
@rajk999 saidAmen
God hears the RIGHTEOUS
The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as b ...[text shortened]... oul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate. (Psalms 34:15-22 KJV)
02 Sep 19
@sonship saidYou are a complete idiot. You do not understand neither can you appreciate the whole of the bible teachings. Your mind and those like you are fixated on professing that you believe with your mouth, and ignoring all the parts of the bible.
So Psalm 34:15 certainly includes the Lord HEARING those who He has accounted righteuosness to them for believing God.
Is that ok with you Rajk999?
"The eyes of Jehovah are set toward the righteous, And His ears, toward their cry." (v.15)
And Abram believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. So God can hear his calling and crying out? ...[text shortened]... ying that it is possible to be well pleasing to God and it has nothing whatsoever to do with faith ?
In the case of Abraham the whole story is always about FAITH + WORKS
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (James 2:19-24 KJV)
James says
- Devils also believe, therefore belief does not guarantee anything
- Faith without works is dead
- Abraham was justified by works
- By works faith is made perfect
- Abraham believed God and IT IS BECAUSE ABRAHAM WAS RIGHTEOUS THEN HIS FAITH WAS IMPUTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
- Therefore by works is a man justified
02 Sep 19
@rajk999 saidWe don’t believe with our mouths, with our mouths we confess, we acknowledge God, with our hearts, minds, souls, spirit, and everything in us we put our faith in God. Abraham believed God which was counted towards him as righteousness! Abraham did walk out his faith which is what we all do. You seem to acknowledge some scripture but fail in acknowledging all of it. You leave off all of the verses that do not agree with the doctrine of works. If you were putting your faith in God you’d trust the righteousness inputted by God to us for Jesus' sake, and doing good works out of love of God and our neighbors instead of attempting to be granted righteousness for the sake of your work.
You are a complete idiot. You do not understand neither can you appreciate the whole of the bible teachings. Your mind and those like you are fixated on professing that you believe with your mouth, and ignoring all the parts of the bible.
In the case of Abraham the whole story is always about FAITH + WORKS
[i]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the de ...[text shortened]... IGHTEOUS THEN HIS FAITH WAS IMPUTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
- Therefore by works is a man justified[/b]
You are correct in saying just believing is not enough, I cannot think of anyone who says that outside of you as you incorrectly attempt to charge others with that false claim. We are to abide in Christ, we are to obey Christ, and the reason we do that is that we put our faith in Christ, not our efforts, but Him. Anyone can claim to be a Christian, but that is meaningless, without God. God gives us Himself when we are redeemed, we can call Him Father, this isn’t something those on the outside of Christ can do, they may hope to get there, but if that is what they are doing that shows they are on the outside looking in.
It is to the glory of God to forgive us, to redeem us, we can take no glory in this we were sinners dead in our sins. There is nothing anyone dead can do to make themselves better! God showed us mercy we did not deserve, and attempting to earn your way into God’s good graces is not accepting the salvation offered by God as a gift! No one earns a gift, therefore rejecting the free gift of redemption that comes from Jesus Christ is not putting your faith in Him.
Romans 3:24-26 English Standard Version (ESV)
and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
@kellyjay saidWe don’t believe with our mouths, with our mouths we confess, we acknowledge God, with our hearts, minds, souls, spirit, and everything in us we put our faith in God. Abraham believed God which was counted towards him as righteousness! Abraham did walk out his faith which is what we all do. You seem to acknowledge some scripture but fail in acknowledging all of it. You leave off all of the verses that do not agree with the doctrine of works. If you were putting your faith in God you’d trust the righteousness inputted by God to us for Jesus' sake, and doing good works out of love of God and our neighbors instead of attempting to be granted righteousness for the sake of your work.
We don’t believe with our mouths, with our mouths we confess, we acknowledge God, with our hearts, minds, souls, spirit, and everything in us we put our faith in God. Abraham believed God which was counted towards him as righteousness! Abraham did walk out his faith which is what we all do. You seem to acknowledge some scripture but fail in acknowledging all of it. You leave ...[text shortened]... s at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
You are correct in saying just believing is not enough, I cannot think of anyone who says that outside of you as you incorrectly attempt to charge others with that false claim. We are to abide in Christ, we are to obey Christ, and the reason we do that is that we put our faith in Christ, not our efforts, but Him. Anyone can claim to be a Christian, but that is meaningless, without God. God gives us Himself when we are redeemed, we can call Him Father, this isn’t something those on the outside of Christ can do, they may hope to get there, but if that is what they are doing that shows they are on the outside looking in.
It is to the glory of God to forgive us, to redeem us, we can take no glory in this we were sinners dead in our sins. There is nothing anyone dead can do to make themselves better! God showed us mercy we did not deserve, and attempting to earn your way into God’s good graces is not accepting the salvation offered by God as a gift! No one earns a gift, therefore rejecting the free gift of redemption that comes from Jesus Christ is not putting your faith in Him.
Is this an exhortation to followers of Jesus to obey His commandments and do good works in order to demonstrate to Him that their faith is not "dead"? If it is, it seems rather diluted by a large dollop of standard Think Your Way To Everlasting Life-ism.
02 Sep 19
@rajk999 saidAnd righteousness would be a sort of composite, right: those who follow God and uphold His commandments and have faith in Him.
God hears the RIGHTEOUS
The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as b ...[text shortened]... oul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate. (Psalms 34:15-22 KJV)
... And who else would God really hear but for them that prayed to Him?
Remember what the Pslams says of the atheist:
The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God.'
Psalms 14:1
Would you say that fools are righteous?
@philokalia saidYou don't seriously think that explicit or hard atheists - those you say 'there is no God' - are fools, do you?
Remember what the Pslams says of the atheist:
The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God.'
Psalms 14:1
Would you say that fools are righteous?
You surely don't seriously think that a few words like these - from the religious scripture you happen subscribe to - establish that someone is literally a "fool" for not subscribing to it?
02 Sep 19
Was Hitler a fool? Was Stalin a fool?
The answer is, of course, they were fools when it came to the way that they saw the world.
However, the mental faculties that they had were advanced.
One can simultaneously be unwise and foolish, yet intellectual.
Children know this because it is an incredibly common theme -- to be complete & good, maybe even outstanding, in X, but to be backwards & hopeless in Y & Z, and to need a change of heart to be able to attain Y & Z.
@philokalia saidSo what are your answers to my questions?
Was Hitler a fool? Was Stalin a fool?
The answer is, of course, they were fools when it came to the way that they saw the world.
However, the mental faculties that they had were advanced.
One can simultaneously be unwise and foolish, yet intellectual.
Children know this because it is an incredibly common theme -- to be complete & good, maybe even out ...[text shortened]... , but to be backwards & hopeless in Y & Z, and to need a change of heart to be able to attain Y & Z.
You think you are not a fool [even though you are using a book of ancient mythology to call people "fools" on the internet] but do you think Ghost of a Duke, for example - who isn't a member of your religion and believes there isn't a god or gods - is a fool?
@philokalia saidDoes this kind of 'argument' appeal to your own intellect?
Children know this because it is an incredibly common theme -- to be complete & good, maybe even outstanding, in X, but to be backwards & hopeless in Y & Z, and to need a change of heart to be able to attain Y & Z.