@galveston75 saidThe timing of this thread merely shows how cold and self-aggrandizing your church is and how you personally lack all the good stuff from the bible (like compassion and humility).
So the Pope has died. Any human passing away in death is sad. But exactly who is the Pope?
On face value he seems to be an important being to millions here on earth.
Is he God in the flesh?
Is he another Christ in the flesh? If so why is he accepted and looked up to by millions, even billions? The facts are is when Jesus was on earth he had to basically hide at ti ...[text shortened]... nful human religious leader like lets say the Pope or any of his sinful imperfect church fathers....
The Pope was not the mouthpiece for God, but neither is the Watchtower.
@galveston75 saidIf he did, it would not have fulfilled prophecy.
It would have been so honorable if God's own son Jesus would have been given even the slightest amount of respect that this imperfect human, the Pope is being given.....
Come on, you knew that answer.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidHear, hear.
The timing of this thread merely shows how cold and self-aggrandizing your church is and how you personally lack all the good stuff from the bible (like compassion and humility).
The Pope was not the mouthpiece for God, but neither is the Watchtower.
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@galveston75 saidHe is (was) the powerful leader of the Roman Catholic Church.
So the Pope has died. Any human passing away in death is sad. But exactly who is the Pope?
On face value he seems to be an important being to millions here on earth.
Is he God in the flesh?
Is he another Christ in the flesh? If so why is he accepted and looked up to by millions, even billions? The facts are is when Jesus was on earth he had to basically hide at ti ...[text shortened]... nful human religious leader like lets say the Pope or any of his sinful imperfect church fathers....
You know, supposedly "Peter's Church".
Religion is best used as a conduit between God and Humans. Work your salvation through Jesus and petition God and make yourself humble and give thanks before God.
That's all anyone needs. Church is for fellowship and to also serve as a conduit for charitable works. That's it.
@Suzianne Of course I know the answer and what prophecy said. I'm speaking now about humans who look up to the Pope like he is more then a man. That is all he is and there is no prophecy at all that ever speaks of any man that has God's direction in them to ever even slightly get the reverence that a Pope gets.
Matt 23:9 is very clear: 9 "Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One."
It is disgusting that such a simple command is ignored.
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@galveston75 saidYou're not Catholic, why do you care what "they" say?
@Suzianne Of course I know the answer and what prophecy said. I'm speaking now about humans who look up to the Pope like he is more then a man. That is all he is and there is no prophecy at all that ever speaks of any man that has God's direction in them to ever even slightly get the reverence that a Pope gets.
Matt 23:9 is very clear: 9 "Moreover, do not call anyone ...[text shortened]... for one is your Father, the heavenly One."
It is disgusting that such a simple command is ignored.
There have been evil Popes, most notably Pope Urban, who sent Catholics from all over the world to Jerusalem to kill and die in the Crusades.
Compared to this, Pope Francis was what a Pope should be, a voice of hope to much of the world.
@galveston75 said"Matt 23:9 is very clear: 9 "Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.""
@Suzianne Of course I know the answer and what prophecy said. I'm speaking now about humans who look up to the Pope like he is more then a man. That is all he is and there is no prophecy at all that ever speaks of any man that has God's direction in them to ever even slightly get the reverence that a Pope gets.
Matt 23:9 is very clear: 9 "Moreover, do not call anyone ...[text shortened]... for one is your Father, the heavenly One."
It is disgusting that such a simple command is ignored.
I love Matthew 23. Jesus calls out hypocrites seven times in this chapter.
@Suzianne saidSo yes anyone who help in any kind of humanitarian way with the craziness that the world has become is always good......
You're not Catholic, why do you care what "they" say?
There have been evil Popes, most notably Pope Urban, who sent Catholics from all over the world to Jerusalem to kill and die in the Crusades.
Compared to this, Pope Francis was what a Pope should be, a voice of hope to much of the world.
Well heading out for the gulf coast, Corpus Christi area, for a few days. Going to check out a huge sand castle contest. Supposed to be a few artiest from other country's building their castles so it should be awesome........ C y'all later.
@galveston75 saidIf there's one thing Corpus Christi has, it's sand, and lots of it.
So yes anyone who help in any kind of humanitarian way with the craziness that the world has become is always good......
Well heading out for the gulf coast, Corpus Christi area, for a few days. Going to check out a huge sand castle contest. Supposed to be a few artiest from other country's building their castles so it should be awesome........ C y'all later.
@moonbus saidYes, well done.
The order of priority was established long ago, as follows:
1. What the Apostles taught.
2. What Ecumenical Councils decide.
3. What Scripture says.
Ecumenical Councils consist of conferences of bishops, either Orthodox or Catholic, who can trace their lineage back to one of the Apostles. The Pope is simply one of the bishops, "first among equals", in the Catholi ...[text shortened]... their own personal interpretations (and sometimes translations) of Scripture above that of bishops.
@Suzianne saidNot gone yet, but soon. Just wanted to comment on his comment even though it is shortened.
Yes, well done.
If I'm understanding his shortened post it looks like it is saying that they come up with what they think a scripture is saying and decide on that meaning.
But can they do that? Who gave them the idea that Jehovah allows that to happen? Any given scripture says what it says. It is God's words and we are not allowed to come up with an interpretation and this is because every word in the Bible is from God. No human can come up with their interpretation and then go even farther with it and teach others their ideas.
Bible Interpretation—By Whose Influence?
ONE definition of the word “interpret” is “to conceive in the light of individual belief, judgment, or circumstance.” (Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary) Thus, one’s interpretation of anything is usually influenced by one’s background, education, and upbringing.
What, though, about Bible interpretation? Are we free to explain Bible passages according to our own “belief, judgment, or circumstance”? Naturally, most Bible scholars and translators claim that they do not do so but that they are guided by God.
A case in point is what is said in a footnote to John 1:1 in A New Version of the Four Gospels, published in 1836 by John Lingard under the pseudonym “A Catholic.” It says: “Men of every persuasion find the confirmation of their peculiar opinions in the sacred volumes: for, in fact, it is not the Scripture that informs them, but they that affix their own meaning to the language of Scripture.”
Though the point is well taken, what was the writer’s intent? His comment was in support of his interpretation of that verse, which he translated: “At the beginning was ‘the word;’ and ‘the word’ was with God; and ‘the word’ was God,” a typical Trinitarian rendition.
What impelled the writer to translate John 1:1 in support of the Trinitarian doctrine? Is it “the Scripture that informs” him to do so? That is impossible, for nowhere in the Bible is the teaching of the Trinity to be found. Note what The Note what The New Encyclopædia Britannica says on this point: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.” In addition, Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins observed: “To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . . they say nothing about it.”
What, then, can we conclude about those who support a Trinitarian interpretation of John 1:1 or any other Bible verse? By Mr. Lingard’s own criterion, “it is not the Scripture that informs them, but they that affix their own meaning to the language of Scripture.”
@galveston75 saidPopes are infallible. At any rate, in ecclesiastical matters. Why? because God will not let Ecumenical Councils be deceived, and Ecumenical Councils confirmed that popes are infallible. As loony as it sounds, that is the official doctrine and has been for over 1700 years. I'm not making this up.
@Suzianne Of course I know the answer and what prophecy said. I'm speaking now about humans who look up to the Pope like he is more then a man. That is all he is and there is no prophecy at all that ever speaks of any man that has God's direction in them to ever even slightly get the reverence that a Pope gets.
Matt 23:9 is very clear: 9 "Moreover, do not call anyone ...[text shortened]... for one is your Father, the heavenly One."
It is disgusting that such a simple command is ignored.
@galveston75 saidThe Bible is not God's words. There's your error. I already posted the order of priority; the Bible is in third place. Learn this by heart.
Not gone yet, but soon. Just wanted to comment on his comment even though it is shortened.
If I'm understanding his shortened post it looks like it is saying that they come up with what they think a scripture is saying and decide on that meaning.
But can they do that? Who gave them the idea that Jehovah allows that to happen? Any given scripture says what it says. It ...[text shortened]... he Scripture that informs them, but they that affix their own meaning to the language of Scripture.”