Originally posted by NemesioShouldn't you be saying that I perversly misrepresented evolution?
This perversely misrepresents creation and you know it! To even try
to use this as analogy is insidiously disingenuous, or so woefully
misinformed that you should spend a few years studying the universe
before you comment upon it again.
Nemesio
Hey, I didn't coin the phrase Big Bang. Blame then the people who coined the phrase "Big BANG!!".
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Originally posted by dj2beckerThe scientists were hoping that out of the twelve monkeys continously typing one would eventually produce a play by Shakespeare.
Where did you get all the typewriters?
After 50 years to the amazement of one scientist he picked up a sheet of paper from the lab floor that read -
"To be or not to be, that is the sdf089s 8d0gasd ffs ddghh 7700j"
That's a joke fellas! I like it. No disrespect intended.
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Originally posted by dj2beckerI think that some people, like the poster who said I misrepresented the creation [sic] or the Big Bang, bristle when it is pointed out to them just what the implications of their materialistic belief is.
I believe in the Big Bang.
God spoke, and BANG, it happened!
I suppose that the poster felt it was not fair of me to make an analogy of the explosion in a print factory with the Big Bang. Well, even if you draw out the Big Bang to encompass billions of years, you have essentially a long and gargantuian explosion.
Naturalism says that our ability to reason, to think, to conceptualize, all came out of non-living material somewhere in the mixture of this explosion, without the aid of intelligent design.
When the implications of this are brought home to them they bristle with the counter charge that the Theist has made a strawman argument.
Once again. I think our ability to reason came from either:
1.) Preexisting Intelligence (Thus a Preexisting Uncreated Life)
2.) Non living material spewed out in the Big Bang, albeit over billions of years of random interaction and mixing.
To me Premise #2 requires more faith to believe then Premise #1.
I believe that we were made in the image of God and therefore share certain of God's attributes and characteristics. Reasoning being one of them.
In short, to argue with God is to argue with the One Who gave you the ability to argue at all.
To Quote George Carlin, " Jesus was a Cross Dresser," and referring to the world,"If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of stuff you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. In any well-managed universe, this guy would have been out on his all powerful ass a long time ago"
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Originally posted by NemesioWith regards to Stephen Hawking's quantum gravity theory, if interpreted realistically, it still involves an absolute origin of the universe, even if the universe does not begin in a singularity, as it does in the standard Big Bang theory.
That one is merely misinformed, for it fails to take into account
that some variations are preferable than others. Mr Wizard showed
that on a IBMPC using BASIC back in the 1980s, as I recall.
Did you personally need me to explain it?
I'm not opposed to a faith-oriented belief in ID -- in fact, the 'tinker
model' is sorta how I personally feel about ...[text shortened]... has no place in the classroom (but plenty of place in the
'faith houses'😉.
Nemesio
dj, I've started reading a bit of the bible. Would probably take a very long time to finish! Been looking up on those portions you quoted. Very interesting, though I'm not convinced -- yet! I've also been following the interesting debate on here. But it occurred to me, that it's strange that if God is so mighty and so loving, and if he really does want us to come to him, then why can't he keep things simple by revealing himself in person? Wouldn't that be the best way? There would be no need for all these debates? Then everyone would believe in him? Why use a messenger? Why sent his 'son'? or anyone else for that matters?
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Originally posted by ckoh1965Hi, ckoh1965, good to hear from you again!
dj, I've started reading a bit of the bible. Would probably take a very long time to finish! Been looking up on those portions you quoted. Very interesting, though I'm not convinced -- yet! I've also been following the interesting debate on here. But it occurred to me, that it's strange that if God is so mighty and so loving, and if he really does want us t ...[text shortened]... elieve in him? Why use a messenger? Why sent his 'son'? or anyone else for that matters?
Before you read any other part of the Bible, I suggest you start reading the gospel of John first. 😉
The Bible teaches that God is Holy. As human beings we are fallen creatures and in a state of sin. No man who is in a sinful state can see God in person, and live.
God has also revealed himself in his Word, which is sharper than any two-edged sword! (Hebrews 4:12)
Originally posted by dj2beckerDarnit dj, we've been over this before. Muffy made God. End of story.
Who made God? No one did. He was not made. He has always existed. Only things that had a beginning - like the world - need a maker. God had no beginning , so God did not need to be made. For those who are a little older, a little more can be said. Traditionally, most atheist who deny the existence of God believe that the universe was not made; it was just ...[text shortened]... as well ask, "Where is the bachelor's wife?"
- Dr. Norman L. Geisler
Originally posted by jaywillWhy does one have to believe either? Why can't one just suspend judgment?
I think that some people, like the poster who said I misrepresented the creation [sic] or the Big Bang, bristle when it is pointed out to them just what the implications of their materialistic belief is.
I suppose that the poster felt it was not fair of me to make an analogy of the explosion in a print factory with the Big Bang. Well, even if you draw ou ...[text shortened]... In short, to argue with God is to argue with the One Who gave you the ability to argue at all.