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    23 Jun '14 17:06
    Originally posted by josephw
    Seems like another good reason .....
    You don't need much do you? Looks to me like someone starting from a conclusion and working backwards.
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    23 Jun '14 17:23
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    You don't need much do you? Looks to me like someone starting from a conclusion and working backwards.
    I don't need much in comparison to what? You can't get enough?

    Seriously sir, it doesn't take much to see that without a place to live life would expire.

    Simple conclusion is that the purpose of the material univers is to support life.

    Thank you for providing further depth to the discussion. 🙂
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    23 Jun '14 17:44
    Originally posted by josephw
    I don't need much in comparison to what?
    You don't need much of an excuse to keep repeating your conclusion. It doesn't seem to matter to you whether the excuse makes sense.
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    23 Jun '14 19:15
    Originally posted by josephw
    [b]"Seems an awful waste of space..."

    Life needs room to grow. Why not limitlessness? Seems like another good reason to believe that the purpose of all that exists is to support life.

    Thanks for that addition to the evidence for the purpose of the existence of the universe. 🙂[/b]
    But most of that 'room to grow' is a vacuum entirely inhospitable to life. Even if every single planet were teeming with life, that would still be a minuscule amount of the total volume of the universe. What purpose does the rest of it serve?

    --- Penguin.
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    23 Jun '14 19:26
    Originally posted by Penguin
    But most of that 'room to grow' is a vacuum entirely inhospitable to life. Even if every single planet were teeming with life, that would still be a minuscule amount of the total volume of the universe. What purpose does the rest of it serve?

    --- Penguin.
    One form of life so frequently destroys another that one could form the hypothesis that it is to keep us apart.
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    23 Jun '14 19:27
    Originally posted by josephw
    I don't need much in comparison to what? You can't get enough?

    Seriously sir, it doesn't take much to see that without a place to live life would expire.

    Simple conclusion is that the purpose of the material univers is to support life.

    Thank you for providing further depth to the discussion. 🙂
    Maybe it works both ways:

    The purpose of life is to support the material universe. How are we doing?
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    23 Jun '14 19:59
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    You don't need much do you? Looks to me like someone starting from a conclusion and working backwards.
    Wouldn't that be how much of scientific theory (or any theory) came about, ie. by looking backwards from a conclusion?
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    23 Jun '14 20:06
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Wouldn't that be how much of scientific theory (or any theory) came about, ie. by looking backwards from a conclusion?
    Noooo. That's the way of badness.

    Science works by making observations about the world, trying to create an
    explanatory framework which explains the observations, using that proposed
    framework to make predictions about future/further observations, and then
    modifying or replacing the proposed explanations that don't match the new
    observations, or devising new tests for those that do. Rinse and repeat...

    You work from observations, not conclusions.

    Engineering on the other hand often might work from conclusions and build on
    them, but thy are all about making devices and solving problems and not finding
    knowledge.
  9. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    23 Jun '14 20:10
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Noooo. That's the way of badness.

    Science works by making observations about the world, trying to create an
    explanatory framework which explains the observations, using that proposed
    framework to make predictions about future/further observations, and then
    modifying or replacing the proposed explanations that don't match the new
    observations, ...[text shortened]... n
    them, but thy are all about making devices and solving problems and not finding
    knowledge.
    You are right, of course, but to most observations are 99% conclusions.
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    23 Jun '14 20:10
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    You are right, of course, but to most observations are 99% conclusions.
    Huh?
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    23 Jun '14 20:16
    Originally posted by josephw
    Difficult not to bring a Biblical perspective into it, but let's leave God out of this one. I don't really think God would mind that too much. After all we're not going to solve the riddle here are we?

    I submit that what exists exists for the purpose of supporting life. And that's all. The material universe serves no other function than to support life. T ...[text shortened]... .

    Can anyone think of any other reason why the universe should exist? I'm open to suggestion.
    Why not?
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    23 Jun '14 20:17
    here'e another 'way of badness': I conclude that there are no conclusions
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    23 Jun '14 20:21
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Huh?
    Sorry man. I'll try again when I'm more coherent
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    23 Jun '14 22:58
    Originally posted by Penguin
    But most of that 'room to grow' is a vacuum entirely inhospitable to life. Even if every single planet were teeming with life, that would still be a minuscule amount of the total volume of the universe. What purpose does the rest of it serve?

    --- Penguin.
    But that vacuum exists for a reason. It's all part of the purpose.
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    23 Jun '14 22:59
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Why not?
    Why not what? You lost me there!
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