Why are atheist on a spirituality Forum?

Originally posted by Agerg
Middle Earth isn't here now; that much is true but can you prove it didn't exist in the past? Perhaps Gandalf magicked the world we know now into being from what it was prior. Tolkein's books suggest he was a very powerful wizard so we can't just discount the idea without investigating Tolkein's books (and when you do they will indeed tell you all about hobbits and middle earth and magic)!

no i cannot and have no wish to, if you believe its real, then its real to you. All i can
state with any certainty is, that after, note that term Agers, after examining the text, it
seems improbable to me.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Well i've just read John 1-12. Jesus turning water into wine at the wedding.

Now what?

pray for the same thing at your wedding 😛

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no i cannot and have no wish to, if you believe its real, then its real to you.

Well if Middle earth did exist and given that there is not one iota of detail about Jesus in Tolkein's works this surely puts the veracity of your Bible in jeopardy! 😲

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no i cannot and have no wish to, if you believe its real, then its real to you. All i can
state with any certainty is, that after, note that term Agers, after examining the text, it
seems improbable to me.

Hello, i've read John 1-12.

Now what?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Hello, i've read John 1-12.

Now what?

look at the details, and try to figure out whether it has the hallmarks of a real event, i
cannot go into it at the moment, for i am tired and need to sleep, it will have to wait
for another occasion.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no i cannot and have no wish to, if you believe its real, then its real to you. All i can
state with any certainty is, that after, note that term Agers, after examining the text, it
seems improbable to me.

On what basis can you say it is improbable...were you around back then!? I think not! I think you unfairly dismiss the idea based only on your bias for a different book.

Originally posted by Agerg
Well if Middle earth did exist and given that there is not one iota of detail about Jesus in Tolkein's works this surely puts the veracity of your Bible in jeopardy! 😲

no its doesn't, for you have no way of knowing until you have read the biblical text, and
even afterwards, and dear Agers I will say this for the last time, all you will be able to
state with any certainty is, it does not seem probable to me.

Originally posted by Agerg
On what basis can you say it is improbable...were you around back then!? I think not! I think you unfairly dismiss the idea based only on your bias for a different book.

i will make an evaluation of the details with my mind, what else is there dear Agers?
you know its true. enough of this pretence, i am tired and on the verge of getting
stroppy!

Good night and may the father of the celestial lights, Jehovah himself give you wisdom!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
look at the details, and try to figure out whether it has the hallmarks of a real event, i
cannot go into it at the moment, for i am tired and need to sleep, it will have to wait
for another occasion.

All the details seem plausible except for the turning water into wine bit.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no its doesn't, for you have no way of knowing until you have read the biblical text, and
even afterwards, and dear Agers I will say this for the last time, all you will be able to
state with any certainty is, it does not seem probable to me.

As Proper knob has done I could read some miracle tale in the Bible and walk away only with the knowledge it is claimed in the Bible (which I don't believe contains any truth on such matters) that such a miracle was performed; and since we don't live in a land of singing clouds and magic carpets there is zero way to substantiate the claims

Originally posted by Proper Knob
All the details seem plausible except for the turning water into wine bit.

yes dear Noobster, they do, you will of course notice the complete lack of affectation, no
Kassa, Kaboom, flashed of lightning, its almost matter of fact. Its late, i need sleep, i
have dentist tomorrow and its not going to be much fun 🙁


May Jehovah give you wisdom 🙂

Originally posted by Agerg
As Proper knob has done I could read some miracle tale in the Bible and walk away only with the knowledge it is claimed in the Bible (which I don't believe contains any truth on such matters) that such a miracle was performed; and since we don't live in a land of singing clouds and magic carpets there is zero way to substantiate the claims

well don't believe it then, you still cant claim that it never happened though.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
well don't believe it then, you still cant claim that it never happened though.

Then likewise you can't claim middle earth didn't exist - this is true whether you have read the book or not.

Originally posted by Agerg
Likewise you can't claim middle earth didn't exist - this is true whether you have read the book or not.

yes, but i am not claiming it didn't, am I? It merely seems improbable to me ( I have read two of the books although it was a long time ago.)

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes, but i am not claiming it didn't, am I? It merely seems improbable to me ( I have read two of the books although it was a long time ago.)

So then playing the same game as you, given you can't disprove middle earth didn't exist then your claims about Jesus (given they are sourced only from a book you haven't substantiated, coupled with my `faith' in the veracity of Tolkein's writings) are thoroughly baseless.