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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeAll of us who want that help. You are free to accept it but it's not an entitlement. You're only entitled to do-overs while you're still here sitting comfortably in your biologically machined body... mine isn't as comfortable as it used to be, I need to let the motor idle for awhile before taking it out of the garage.
Heaven help us all. 🙂
Christians obviously don't agree with one another on every little point. I started off believing we evolved, and did for many years after I became a Christian. I was also a secret Christian for many years. Some old friends and members of my family still have trouble believing me when I tell them about it. One of them was very surprised a few years after I first told him about it. He said, "You still believe that?" I was surprised too... surprised that he was surprised.
life is full of surprises
Edit: Two immediate thumbs down for this post? I shouldn't be surprised though. It just goes toward proving my point about the sort of people who predominately inhabit and wish to exercise control over this ~ the spirituality ~ forum.
Originally posted by lemon limeWell then..................no one has to be a Christian but instead just be good.(is this what you are saying)
Is there any end or ultimately desirable achievement to this karmatic recycling process, or does it continue on forever?
By the way, it's not necessary for anyone to know about God the way we have been able to learn about it in order for someone to get into heaven. So yes, heaven is big enough for billions or trillions (or any number) of people, becaus ...[text shortened]... n respect of our fellow church goers, but God knows more about us than even we are able to know.
The karmic recycling is stopped when the person surrenders the the Supreme Personality of Godhead in friendship and love and that is when their life in this material world of death and suffering is finished and they return back home to Godhead.(their heart must be pure and all ignorance is gone)
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Originally posted by moonbusEverything that lives ..........................is living only because the soul is present.
Do animals have will? Do animals have souls?
That they experience pain I do not doubt. That pain is equivalent to suffering requires ... dare I say it? ... a leap of faith.
The soul is the living principle .............and the body is the false covering of flesh and bones and pus and stool and urine etc.
Originally posted by lemon limeYou perceive 'two thumbs down' as a sign that there are people trying to control you?
Edit: Two immediate thumbs down for this post? I shouldn't be surprised though. It just goes toward proving my point about the sort of people who predominately inhabit and wish to exercise control over this ~ the spirituality ~ forum.[/b]
Originally posted by SuzianneMe suggesting that you substantiate the accusations you made on a debate/discussion forum makes you think I have a "god complex"?
So that's how you're able to sleep at night. A combination of a redefinition of terms and an ability to believe that your agenda turns your sins into "righteousness". It's no wonder you ceased being a Christian. Your "god"-complex doesn't allow it.
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Originally posted by DasaYour problem is you serve a different Godhead than the Christian Godhead of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Your godhead is a deceiver and has deceiving spirits working for him to provide false doctrines to it's servants.
Well then..................no one has to be a Christian but instead just be good.(is this what you are saying)
The karmic recycling is stopped when the person surrenders the the Supreme Personality of Godhead in friendship and love and that is when their life in this material world of death and suffering is finished and they return back home to Godhead.(their heart must be pure and all ignorance is gone)
My God provides His servants with the truth, the way, and the life. 😏
HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!
Originally posted by DasaI'm saying if someone has never heard about it God doesn't hold that (ignorance of the gospel) against them.
Well then..................no one has to be a Christian but instead just be good.(is this what you are saying)
The karmic recycling is stopped when the person surrenders the the Supreme Personality of Godhead in friendship and love and that is when their life in this material world of death and suffering is finished and they return back home to Godhead.(their heart must be pure and all ignorance is gone)
The assumption God doesn't play fair and enjoys tossing people into hell usually comes from those who have learned about Christianity from watching videos put out by the South Park seminary, and from watching half hour television seminars entitled "The Simpsons".
There is another source for information called "Family Guy", but that one is the east coast version of the other two and mostly appeals to the vanity of east coast intellectuals. I can usually overlook the occasional Christian baiting programming requirement I expect to see in that one... because I'm actually laughing at the vanity of east coast intellectuals.
In summation*: Most critics of Christianity are willfully ignorant of what we actually believe, and will resist learning about it from 1.) reading the Bible to see for themselves and 2.) listening to what actual Christians say to them about it.
* summary included for those with spongy thc soaked brains
Originally posted by FMFAs per usual you are reading something into this I didn't say.
You perceive 'two thumbs down' as a sign that there are people trying to control you?
What I said was:
It just goes toward proving my point about the sort of people who predominately inhabit and wish to exercise control over this ~ the spirituality ~ forum.
... the forum
do you perceive me as being the entire forum?
Originally posted by lemon limeNo I perceive you as a person on this forum who sees "Two immediate thumbs down" for one of your posts and then starts blathering on about other posters wanting to "exercise control" over you. Strikes me as paranoid ~ as have several other posts of yours. In what way would you or any other poster on this forum be "controlled" by 'two thumbs down'?
As per usual you are reading something into this I didn't say.
What I said was:
[b]It just goes toward proving my point about the sort of people who predominately inhabit and wish to exercise control over this ~ the spirituality ~ forum.
... the forum
do you perceive me as being the entire forum?[/b]
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Originally posted by FMFLOL The only one blathering on about this is you.
No I perceive you as a person on this forum who sees "Two immediate thumbs down" for one of your posts and then starts blathering on about other posters wanting to "exercise control" over you. Strikes me as paranoid ~ as have several other posts of yours. In what way would you or any other poster on this forum be "controlled" by 'two thumbs down'?
It was a comment I tossed in at the end of my message. I happened to notice it (the thumb numbers) immediately showing up after I posted a relatively innocuous message.
(think about it)
Most of the time I don't notice the thumbs because I'm thinking about something else, but if I do notice it doesn't 'rock my world' one way or the other. But don't let this stop you from blathering on about it... are there any other insights you would like to share on this topic?
Originally posted by lemon limeYou raised the issue of 'two thumbs down' and extrapolated a paranoid meaning from them, not me. I have long held that some of the Christians here demonstrate an inability to cope with disapproval and disagreement. Your peculiar reaction to the 'two thumbs down' is a case in point. I think when one sees Christians mulling over a topic like "Why are [we] Christians under attack?", their paranoia is a key factor in both their attitude to debate and discussion and their resulting conduct.
Most of the time I don't notice the thumbs because I'm thinking about something else, but if I do notice it doesn't 'rock my world' one way or the other. But don't let this stop you from blathering on about it... are there any other insights you would like to share on this topic?
Originally posted by lemon limeDon't worry, nothing will stop FMF from blathering on and on and on. 😏
[b]LOL The only one blathering on about this is you.
It was a comment I tossed in at the end of my message. I happened to notice it (the thumb numbers) immediately showing up after I posted a relatively innocuous message.
(think about it)
Most of the time I don't notice the thumbs because I'm thinking about something else, but if I do notice it ...[text shortened]... hering on about it... are there any other insights you would like to share on this topic?[/b]
Originally posted by FMFWoW... you get an immediate 4 thumbs up for grasping at straws and making mountains out of mole hills. I'm impressed, so congratulations... you've proven my point.
You raised the issue of 'two thumbs down' and extrapolated a paranoid meaning from them, not me. I have long held that some of the Christians here demonstrate an inability to cope with disapproval and disagreement. Your peculiar reaction to the 'two thumbs down' is a case in point. I think when one sees Christians mulling over a topic like "Why are [we] Christia ...[text shortened]... oia is a key factor in both their attitude to debate and discussion and their resulting conduct.
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Originally posted by lemon limeYou claimed that the two thumbs down that you got proved your point that there is a "sort of people" here who wish to "exercise control" over you. How can some thumbs up for me also prove the same point ~ about people wishing to "exercise control" over you? You're not making sense.
WoW... you get an immediate 4 thumbs up for grasping at straws and making mountains out of mole hills. I'm impressed, so congratulations... you've proven my point.