Originally posted by lucifershammer
A real scientist would've conceded he had no basis for prefering the heliocentric theory based on the available evidence. A real scientist would've admitted that the heliocentric model makes predictions that do not correspond to observations while the geocentric model does.

That's why I asked you to consult a real scientist, instead of pretending to be one.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Here's the thread discussing torture in the Continental system and the Inquistion. http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=32073&page=1

Particulary pages 8-10. I quoted extensively from two scholarly works to show that threat of torture was 100% in the Inquistion as a confession was the only sufficient evidence available if th ...[text shortened]... inding" process in the Contintental system and under even less restraints, in the Inquistion.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Bruno really WAS a heretic though!

Now it's become a feeding frenzy. The skeptics smell blood in the holy water. Lucifershammer tries vainly to fend them all off but he simply can't type fast enough. Will he succumb to their combined onslaught? Stay tuned to find out...

Originally posted by no1marauder
If I asked a real scientist if it was more scientific to believe the Sun revolved around the Earth in 1600 and thus Galileo was wrong, he'd laugh in my face. Why don't you stop pretending to be a scientist?

Originally posted by lucifershammer
I've just reread pages 8-10 - you do not present any evidence to support your claim that '100%' of the accused were 'explicitly' threatened with torture. In fact, you assert it without any supporting evidence on page 8. In those pages, all you do is demonstrate that torture was endemic on the Continent as compared to England.

Originally posted by rwingett
Now it's become a feeding frenzy. The skeptics smell blood in the holy water. Lucifershammer tries vainly to fend them all off but he simply can't type fast enough. Will he succumb to their combined onslaught? Stay tuned to find out...

Originally posted by no1marauder
I presented the scholarly articles which stated as much. I cannot believe that you're pathetically going back on a point you already conceded. You're one of the most intellectually dishonest people I've ever had the misfortune to deal with. But I'll find internet articles proving it AGAIN.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Yes he was. Poor chap.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
I conceded that I was wrong about [b]the Inquisition judicial processes being an improvement on [Continental] secular processes of the time - no more no less. Go re-read what I wrote.

EDIT: You're calling me "intellectually dishonest"? Pot-kettle-black.[/b]

Originally posted by no1marauder
Stop being an idiot. Brahe's theories were discarded quickly by real scientists. You're relying on more fantasies from conservative RCC apologetics.

Copernicus' system was not experimentally better than Ptolemy's model. Copernicus was aware of this and could not present any observational "proof" in his manuscript, relying instead on arguments about what would be a more complete and elegant system. From publication until about 1700, few astronomers were convinced by the Copernican system, though the book was relatively widely circulated (around 500 copies are known to still exist, which is a large number by the scientific standards of the time). Many astronomers, however, accepted some aspects of the theory at the expense of others, and his model did have a large influence on later scientists such as Galileo and Johannes Kepler, who adopted, championed and (especially in Kepler's case) sought to improve it. Galileo's observation of the phases of Venus produced the first observational evidence for Copernicus' theory.

It can be shown through a geometric argument that the motions of the planets and the Sun relative to the Earth in the Tychonic system are equivalent to the motions in the Copernican system, and the Tychonic system has the advantage of not predicting stellar parallax, which was not observable until the 19th century.
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After Tycho's death, Johannes Kepler used the observations of Tycho himself to demonstrate that the orbits of the planets are ellipses and not circles, creating the modified Copernican system that ultimately displaced both the Tychonic and Ptolemaic systems. However, the Tychonic system was very influential in the late 16h and 17th centuries

Originally posted by no1marauder
Unbelievable. You conceded that point because I showed that the Inquistion had even less restraints on the use of torture than the Continental system! But the Continental system used threat of torture in 100% of the cases also! It was an accepted part of the "fact finding" process in both.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Come back to me after you've spoken to a real scientist. Or, if you can't be bothered, ask your WP friends here on RHP to give you their objective scientific opinion.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
The Wolfpack just hasn't been the same since bbarr died.